Comments on: Mastery of Style Trumps Superiority of Argument http://www.toqonline.com/blog/mastery-of-style/ Western Perspectives on Man, Culture, and Politics Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:11:50 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Upperroomy http://www.toqonline.com/blog/mastery-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-13786 Upperroomy Wed, 25 May 2011 04:10:19 +0000 http://www.toqonline.com/?p=1143#comment-13786 What kind of style will win? Try this on.... Carry the cross for our people and sit closer to the right hand of POWER... in the coming KINGDOM! - the Bible's objective when grasped by real logicians. (It's not a democracy satisfying mobs saying "gimme," since democracy is mob rule, corrputable, toxic to us.) For the CALLED (only a certain group are called, contrary to commercial churching!) we can indeed be "great" or "least" in that kingdom, based on actualy knowing and doing what is the real plan/law of God. (Unknown to commercial churching.) See Mat 5:17-19. "Ye are Gods" is in Scripture, was what Christ told his critics (Jewish leaders) when they accused him of being son of God (John 10*) , but he did not say it was unique to himself, although his role as our kinsman redeemer is unique! He himself is at the right hand of POWER, says Mat 26:64. And who is at his right hand? All positions are "open." He returns soon to impose the original (Adamic dominion) regime over all persons. (Do you know who is an Adamite versus pre-Adamite?) Study to get up to speed on our coming liberation/empowerment via the "perfect law of [our] liberty (James 1:25). Music? Try "Onward Christian soldiers" with a black metal edge, and visions of us taking out enemies.... as per Luke 19:27 (which you'll never hear in commercial churching!) *PS: Jesus quoted from Psalm 82 whcih is quite dramatically written to his kin group - the family of the Father who has many children made in his image (exactly what image?) [An intense study of "nations" in this song shows that it refers only to certain humans, the ones with that image, the image of the CALLED, as in Romans 8:28-30.] What kind of style will win? Try this on….

Carry the cross for our people and sit closer to the right hand of POWER… in the coming KINGDOM! – the Bible’s objective when grasped by real logicians. (It’s not a democracy satisfying mobs saying “gimme,” since democracy is mob rule, corrputable, toxic to us.)

For the CALLED (only a certain group are called, contrary to commercial churching!)
we can indeed be “great” or “least” in that kingdom, based on actualy knowing and doing what is the real plan/law of God. (Unknown to commercial churching.) See Mat 5:17-19.

“Ye are Gods” is in Scripture, was what Christ told his critics (Jewish leaders) when they accused him of being son of God (John 10*) , but he did not say it was unique to himself, although his role as our kinsman redeemer is unique! He himself is at the right hand of POWER, says Mat 26:64. And who is at his right hand? All positions are “open.”

He returns soon to impose the original (Adamic dominion) regime over all persons.
(Do you know who is an Adamite versus pre-Adamite?) Study to get up to speed on our coming liberation/empowerment via the “perfect law of [our] liberty (James 1:25).

Music? Try “Onward Christian soldiers” with a black metal edge, and visions of us taking out enemies…. as per Luke 19:27 (which you’ll never hear in commercial churching!)

*PS: Jesus quoted from Psalm 82 whcih is quite dramatically written to his kin group – the family of the Father who has many children made in his image (exactly what image?)
[An intense study of "nations" in this song shows that it refers only to certain humans, the ones with that image, the image of the CALLED, as in Romans 8:28-30.]

]]> By: Ragnar http://www.toqonline.com/blog/mastery-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-11263 Ragnar Sun, 19 Sep 2010 16:14:04 +0000 http://www.toqonline.com/?p=1143#comment-11263 William of OC, The BNP lost ALL its seats in the recent general election! Their suits did not save them ONE seat. William of OC,

The BNP lost ALL its seats in the recent general election! Their suits did not save them ONE seat.

]]> By: Blog Vagrant http://www.toqonline.com/blog/mastery-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-11239 Blog Vagrant Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:19:35 +0000 http://www.toqonline.com/?p=1143#comment-11239 "Change in common taste is more important than that in opinions; opinions along with proofs, refutations, and the whole intellectual masquerade are only symptoms of a changed taste and most certainly not what they are so often taken to be, its causes. How does common taste change? Through individuals--powerful, influential, and without any sense of shame--who announce and tyrannically enforce their hoc est ridiculum, hoc est absurdum, i.e., the judgment of their taste and disgust: thus they put many under pressure, which gradually turns into a habit among even more and finally becomes a need for everyone." --Nietzsche, Gay Science, #39 “Change in common taste is more important than that in opinions; opinions along with proofs, refutations, and the whole intellectual masquerade are only symptoms of a changed taste and most certainly not what they are so often taken to be, its causes. How does common taste change? Through individuals–powerful, influential, and without any sense of shame–who announce and tyrannically enforce their hoc est ridiculum, hoc est absurdum, i.e., the judgment of their taste and disgust: thus they put many under pressure, which gradually turns into a habit among even more and finally becomes a need for everyone.”

–Nietzsche, Gay Science, #39

]]> By: ANU News.net Mastery of Style Trumps Superiority of Argument http://www.toqonline.com/blog/mastery-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-11236 ANU News.net Mastery of Style Trumps Superiority of Argument Tue, 14 Sep 2010 19:59:31 +0000 http://www.toqonline.com/?p=1143#comment-11236 [...] Olson is also correct in pointing out in “Whites – Are We Still Worthy?” that much of the reason for white inaction is the fact that, notwithstanding the decades of concessions to the Left, whites are still relatively comfortable; they are still wealthy and they are still able to find, albeit admittedly in diminishing quantities, geographical refuge and juridical sanctuary. The loss of status, wealth, and safety that entails attempting to destroy the established order are unattractive when viewed from a position of social respectability, economic comfort, and physical security. Because the short-term pay-off appears higher, therefore, mobilizing the not-very-ethnocentric whites to pursue their long term ethnic interests will necessitate first experiencing the hardships of disenfranchisement and minority status. And even then, this mobilization might not occur until there is a crisis serious enough to make life unbearable, because hard choices are rarely made unless precipitated by a crisis, and many whites will still prefer to make do and suffer in silence rather than risk even greater hardships by provoking the wrath of a non-White-dominated police and juridical apparatus. http://www.toqonline.com/2009/05/mastery-of-style/ [...] [...] Olson is also correct in pointing out in “Whites – Are We Still Worthy?” that much of the reason for white inaction is the fact that, notwithstanding the decades of concessions to the Left, whites are still relatively comfortable; they are still wealthy and they are still able to find, albeit admittedly in diminishing quantities, geographical refuge and juridical sanctuary. The loss of status, wealth, and safety that entails attempting to destroy the established order are unattractive when viewed from a position of social respectability, economic comfort, and physical security. Because the short-term pay-off appears higher, therefore, mobilizing the not-very-ethnocentric whites to pursue their long term ethnic interests will necessitate first experiencing the hardships of disenfranchisement and minority status. And even then, this mobilization might not occur until there is a crisis serious enough to make life unbearable, because hard choices are rarely made unless precipitated by a crisis, and many whites will still prefer to make do and suffer in silence rather than risk even greater hardships by provoking the wrath of a non-White-dominated police and juridical apparatus. http://www.toqonline.com/2009/05/mastery-of-style/ [...]

]]> By: JCJ http://www.toqonline.com/blog/mastery-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-11234 JCJ Mon, 13 Sep 2010 19:26:45 +0000 http://www.toqonline.com/?p=1143#comment-11234 All well and good, certainly any political movement should try to present itself well, but the left doesn't rule because it has style, it rules because it has power. Style only takes you so far, and if the left uses style successfully it is only because they have the power to define style due to their physical control of the media. It isn't a competition, it's a mugging. Even with all their media power they don't rule because they convince people through logical argument or even by making their positions fashionable, ultimately they put a gun to your head (and a gag in your mouth) and make you conform. What is needed is a little confrontation and moral indignation. This is a holocaust, we're the victims, and they're the perpetrators. Stick every non-white on white crime to the political left. Constantly call what is happening to whites genocide or an extermination policy. Call what is happening to every one of our cities ethnic cleansing and a war crime. Call immigration policy racist colonialism, compare it to the Nazi concept of Lebensraum. Call them Nazis because they are (a neat little bit of political Judo) . Promote a zero tolerance attitude to any liberal double standard on race (it's outrageous blood libel that whites are portrayed on popular TV shows as the majority of murderers in our cities, pure hate) . ABOVE ALL, POLITICIZE RACIAL VIOLENCE, make its victims see that it doesn't happen in a social and political vacuum. Hang the label of racist mass-murderers and rapists on Liberals, because they are. If you can do that among a substantial number of whites, even a large minority, you are well on the way to breaking the stranglehold the left has on power in this country. Become a better Leninist than Stalin. All well and good, certainly any political movement should try to present itself well, but the left doesn’t rule because it has style, it rules because it has power. Style only takes you so far, and if the left uses style successfully it is only because they have the power to define style due to their physical control of the media. It isn’t a competition, it’s a mugging. Even with all their media power they don’t rule because they convince people through logical argument or even by making their positions fashionable, ultimately they put a gun to your head (and a gag in your mouth) and make you conform.

What is needed is a little confrontation and moral indignation. This is a holocaust, we’re the victims, and they’re the perpetrators. Stick every non-white on white crime to the political left. Constantly call what is happening to whites genocide or an extermination policy. Call what is happening to every one of our cities ethnic cleansing and a war crime. Call immigration policy racist colonialism, compare it to the Nazi concept of Lebensraum. Call them Nazis because they are (a neat little bit of political Judo) . Promote a zero tolerance attitude to any liberal double standard on race (it’s outrageous blood libel that whites are portrayed on popular TV shows as the majority of murderers in our cities, pure hate) . ABOVE ALL, POLITICIZE RACIAL VIOLENCE, make its victims see that it doesn’t happen in a social and political vacuum. Hang the label of racist mass-murderers and rapists on Liberals, because they are. If you can do that among a substantial number of whites, even a large minority, you are well on the way to breaking the stranglehold the left has on power in this country. Become a better Leninist than Stalin.

]]> By: Out of the Box http://www.toqonline.com/blog/mastery-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-301 Out of the Box Tue, 09 Jun 2009 15:00:15 +0000 http://www.toqonline.com/?p=1143#comment-301 I've been telling my comrades in the nationalist movement for quite some time that the main reason for their lack of support among mainstream whites is their lack of good PR and too much of a focus on content rather than style. Unfortunately, I've thusfar had little success so far. Some people just don't seem to understand enough of psychology to realise how important style over content really is. I’ve been telling my comrades in the nationalist movement for quite some time that the main reason for their lack of support among mainstream whites is their lack of good PR and too much of a focus on content rather than style. Unfortunately, I’ve thusfar had little success so far. Some people just don’t seem to understand enough of psychology to realise how important style over content really is.

]]> By: William of OC http://www.toqonline.com/blog/mastery-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-46 William of OC Tue, 05 May 2009 16:50:10 +0000 http://www.toqonline.com/?p=1143#comment-46 Excellent piece. I strongly agree. Image is everything. The BNP, for example, has encouraged party officers to don jacket and tie, which has given them a professional look in the public eye and, it has been argued, gained them electoral success. I can give you examples from my own experience with white nationalist organizations in Southern California. The groups I am involved in seem to attract a lot of young, skinhead types who sport t-shirts, jeans, and sneakers. It's a grubby look. This style, I believe, can't be attractive to potential recruits, especially middle class Whites who worry about status and associating with the "wrong people". Of course, when I show up to meetings in my tweed jacket, Brooks Brothers shirt, khakis, and Alden loafers, I'm sure the skinheads think I'm an Ivy League infiltrator. Perhaps they will learn. Excellent piece. I strongly agree. Image is everything. The BNP, for example, has encouraged party officers to don jacket and tie, which has given them a professional look in the public eye and, it has been argued, gained them electoral success. I can give you examples from my own experience with white nationalist organizations in Southern California. The groups I am involved in seem to attract a lot of young, skinhead types who sport t-shirts, jeans, and sneakers. It’s a grubby look. This style, I believe, can’t be attractive to potential recruits, especially middle class Whites who worry about status and associating with the “wrong people”. Of course, when I show up to meetings in my tweed jacket, Brooks Brothers shirt, khakis, and Alden loafers, I’m sure the skinheads think I’m an Ivy League infiltrator. Perhaps they will learn.

]]> By: James http://www.toqonline.com/blog/mastery-of-style/comment-page-1/#comment-42 James Mon, 04 May 2009 15:02:37 +0000 http://www.toqonline.com/?p=1143#comment-42 I think Alex has something here...I would wager that the overwhelming majority of TOQ readers are intellectual types that will cringe (at first blush), as I did, at the suggestion that what our movement needs for growth is more "style." We take pride in our "substance" and mock the "scintillating style" of the opposition precisely because it lacks substance and is "transient and short lived" in nature. But damn it, they're succeding. And I suspect that Alex is correct in that some degree of their success is due to their style. Do we dare emulate them? What form would our style take on? Surely we must reject the overwhelming majority of "styles" already in use by many in the broader white nationalist movement. They have a proven tack record of failure and are oh so easy to mock. In fact, I would go so far as to say that one of the reasons that our movement's style is so sterile (at least in the more intellectual circles) is that we have been mocked and ridiculed with such ease over the decades and quite frankly deservedly so much of the time. We stick to the straight and narrow, hoping (perhaps in vain?) that our logic will prevail. What ever outward style we perhaps take on, it must be something that the opposition cannot easily mock without mocking the broader culture of European Americans in general, whether they be WN's or not. I think Alex has something here…I would wager that the overwhelming majority of TOQ readers are intellectual types that will cringe (at first blush), as I did, at the suggestion that what our movement needs for growth is more “style.” We take pride in our “substance” and mock the “scintillating style” of the opposition precisely because it lacks substance and is “transient and short lived” in nature. But damn it, they’re succeding. And I suspect that Alex is correct in that some degree of their success is due to their style. Do we dare emulate them? What form would our style take on? Surely we must reject the overwhelming majority of “styles” already in use by many in the broader white nationalist movement. They have a proven tack record of failure and are oh so easy to mock. In fact, I would go so far as to say that one of the reasons that our movement’s style is so sterile (at least in the more intellectual circles) is that we have been mocked and ridiculed with such ease over the decades and quite frankly deservedly so much of the time. We stick to the straight and narrow, hoping (perhaps in vain?) that our logic will prevail.
What ever outward style we perhaps take on, it must be something that the opposition cannot easily mock without mocking the broader culture of European Americans in general, whether they be WN’s or not.

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