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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 06:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Are you suggesting that non-Nordics are inferior to Nordics? If so what is the basis of that assertion?&lt;/i&gt;


No, guess I should have been clearer about that.  I was thinking more like blacks, Hispanics, etc. -- the types some racialists like to focus on as being the primary problem.

Madison Grant thought &quot;Nordics&quot; were superior though, especially to Alpines, whom he considered &quot;Asiatic&quot; and suitable only for peasant labor. I think Nordicism was pretty silly, and even the division of Europeans into &quot;Nordics, Alpines, and Meds&quot; is highly questionable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Are you suggesting that non-Nordics are inferior to Nordics? If so what is the basis of that assertion?</i></p>
<p>No, guess I should have been clearer about that.  I was thinking more like blacks, Hispanics, etc. &#8212; the types some racialists like to focus on as being the primary problem.</p>
<p>Madison Grant thought &#8220;Nordics&#8221; were superior though, especially to Alpines, whom he considered &#8220;Asiatic&#8221; and suitable only for peasant labor. I think Nordicism was pretty silly, and even the division of Europeans into &#8220;Nordics, Alpines, and Meds&#8221; is highly questionable.</p>
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		<title>By: Euro</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/americas-racialist-moment-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Euro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Once those problems are well-handled, then how to deal with “inferior” groups can be considered.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Are you suggesting that non-Nordics are inferior to Nordics? If so what is the basis of that assertion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Once those problems are well-handled, then how to deal with “inferior” groups can be considered.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Are you suggesting that non-Nordics are inferior to Nordics? If so what is the basis of that assertion?</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 15:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting stuff.  The question of why the racialists of the 1920s ultimately failed is an important one and one that warrants much more attention than it has been given by racialists of today.  If racialism was defeated back then, when it was already mainstream and highly influential, how can racialists possibly succeed today, when they are a fringe minority?

I tend to think Nordicism had a lot to do with it.  Admittedly, I&#039;m biased: despite being blond-haired and blue-eyed, and of pre-1776 English and German &quot;pioneer&quot; stock on one side of my family, I&#039;m also half Slavic, so I&#039;m not exactly the type of person Grant thought of as being in his in-group (but then again, his good buddy Teddy Roosevelt was about as close to being a perfect &quot;Alpine&quot; archetype as you can possibly get, by the standards of early 20th century physical anthropology, so who knows).  While it&#039;s hard to blame Grant for wanting to keep the United States as NW European as possible, Nordicism carried quite a bit of arrogance along with it - Nordics were superior, and therefore the only threat imaginable was that Nordics might not be steadfast enough in maintaining their racial purity and thereby allow a bunch of lowly non-Nordics to drag them down.  Of course, the real threat turned out not to be a bunch of knuckle-dragging Poles and Italians causing trouble, but a bunch of high-IQ Jews quietly taking control of America&#039;s major institutions and using their power to totally crush racialism.

I have read &lt;i&gt;The Passing of the Great Race&lt;/i&gt;, and the only reference to Jews I remember in the book was something about Nordics being driven off the streets of New York by Jews from the ghettos of Poland.  Jews were just another set of racial inferiors to him - annoying perhaps, but not a threat in terms of leadership abilities when compared to the awesome Nordics, who naturally rose to the top of any society in which they dwelled.

Ignorance of the Jewish threat might have been understandable in 1916, but as you point out, even in 1933, when writing &lt;i&gt;The Conquest of a Continent&lt;/i&gt;, Grant remained clueless.  This was after Henry Ford had been publishing extensively on the Jewish problem in the Dearborn Independent and the Nazis were rising to power in Germany.  There was no way that Grant could have remained ignorant of this material.  It seems that Grant and his followers just couldn&#039;t get the idea of infallible Nordic superiority out of their heads.  But while Grant was daydreaming about courageous blond Vikings kicking Alpine peasant ass, Jews were amassing economic power and media influence almost wholly unopposed.

The same lack of ability to see the Jewish threat also plagued Stoddard (who, from what I&#039;ve read of his works, seemed to be a lot less concerned with Nordicism than Grant, although he paid lip service to it), and the eugenics movement generally, except to the extent that they considered Jews to be intellectually inferior non-Nordics.  It doesn&#039;t seem that the southern racialists of the time perceived the Jewish threat either (although I&#039;m less familiar with them than I am with Grant and Stoddard, so I may be mistaken).

Frankly I think the lesson to be learned from all this has to be: focus on the Jews must be first and foremost.  Secondary emphasis should be on other groups capable of competing with whites (Northeast Asians, certain South Asian groups, possibly Armenians).  Once those problems are well-handled, then how to deal with &quot;inferior&quot; groups can be considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting stuff.  The question of why the racialists of the 1920s ultimately failed is an important one and one that warrants much more attention than it has been given by racialists of today.  If racialism was defeated back then, when it was already mainstream and highly influential, how can racialists possibly succeed today, when they are a fringe minority?</p>
<p>I tend to think Nordicism had a lot to do with it.  Admittedly, I&#8217;m biased: despite being blond-haired and blue-eyed, and of pre-1776 English and German &#8220;pioneer&#8221; stock on one side of my family, I&#8217;m also half Slavic, so I&#8217;m not exactly the type of person Grant thought of as being in his in-group (but then again, his good buddy Teddy Roosevelt was about as close to being a perfect &#8220;Alpine&#8221; archetype as you can possibly get, by the standards of early 20th century physical anthropology, so who knows).  While it&#8217;s hard to blame Grant for wanting to keep the United States as NW European as possible, Nordicism carried quite a bit of arrogance along with it &#8211; Nordics were superior, and therefore the only threat imaginable was that Nordics might not be steadfast enough in maintaining their racial purity and thereby allow a bunch of lowly non-Nordics to drag them down.  Of course, the real threat turned out not to be a bunch of knuckle-dragging Poles and Italians causing trouble, but a bunch of high-IQ Jews quietly taking control of America&#8217;s major institutions and using their power to totally crush racialism.</p>
<p>I have read <i>The Passing of the Great Race</i>, and the only reference to Jews I remember in the book was something about Nordics being driven off the streets of New York by Jews from the ghettos of Poland.  Jews were just another set of racial inferiors to him &#8211; annoying perhaps, but not a threat in terms of leadership abilities when compared to the awesome Nordics, who naturally rose to the top of any society in which they dwelled.</p>
<p>Ignorance of the Jewish threat might have been understandable in 1916, but as you point out, even in 1933, when writing <i>The Conquest of a Continent</i>, Grant remained clueless.  This was after Henry Ford had been publishing extensively on the Jewish problem in the Dearborn Independent and the Nazis were rising to power in Germany.  There was no way that Grant could have remained ignorant of this material.  It seems that Grant and his followers just couldn&#8217;t get the idea of infallible Nordic superiority out of their heads.  But while Grant was daydreaming about courageous blond Vikings kicking Alpine peasant ass, Jews were amassing economic power and media influence almost wholly unopposed.</p>
<p>The same lack of ability to see the Jewish threat also plagued Stoddard (who, from what I&#8217;ve read of his works, seemed to be a lot less concerned with Nordicism than Grant, although he paid lip service to it), and the eugenics movement generally, except to the extent that they considered Jews to be intellectually inferior non-Nordics.  It doesn&#8217;t seem that the southern racialists of the time perceived the Jewish threat either (although I&#8217;m less familiar with them than I am with Grant and Stoddard, so I may be mistaken).</p>
<p>Frankly I think the lesson to be learned from all this has to be: focus on the Jews must be first and foremost.  Secondary emphasis should be on other groups capable of competing with whites (Northeast Asians, certain South Asian groups, possibly Armenians).  Once those problems are well-handled, then how to deal with &#8220;inferior&#8221; groups can be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Lombard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lombard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:43:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White Survivalist,

Thanks for posting the links! It is nice to see someone thoughtful enough from our side doing this, rather than bickering and complaining about things.

Keep up the good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>White Survivalist,</p>
<p>Thanks for posting the links! It is nice to see someone thoughtful enough from our side doing this, rather than bickering and complaining about things.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work.</p>
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		<title>By: WHITE SURVIVAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>WHITE SURVIVAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article (along with the other one) is excellent.

However, a suggestion: many of the books which are in this article linked to copies at Amazon are available to read and/or download for free on various internet sites.  Why link to the costly version(s) when free ones are available?

Even GoogleBooks has full copies of some of the works of Grant and Stoddard:

- http://books.google.com/books?id=AdcKAAAAIAAJ&amp;dq=Madison+Grant&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=an&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=BMU4Sq2KI8SEtweri-nYDA&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;ct=result&amp;resnum=4
- http://books.google.com/books?id=ntVAAAAAIAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=Lothrop+Stoddard
- http://books.google.com/books?id=sG8AAAAAMAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=Lothrop+Stoddard
- http://books.google.com/books?id=56w2AAAAMAAJ&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;dq=Lothrop+Stoddard
- http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/cox/
- etc</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article (along with the other one) is excellent.</p>
<p>However, a suggestion: many of the books which are in this article linked to copies at Amazon are available to read and/or download for free on various internet sites.  Why link to the costly version(s) when free ones are available?</p>
<p>Even GoogleBooks has full copies of some of the works of Grant and Stoddard:</p>
<p>- <a target="_blank" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=AdcKAAAAIAAJ&#038;dq=Madison+Grant&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;source=an&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=BMU4Sq2KI8SEtweri-nYDA&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=4" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=AdcKAAAAIAAJ&#038;dq=Madison+Grant&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;source=an&#038;hl=en&#038;ei=BMU4Sq2KI8SEtweri-nYDA&#038;sa=X&#038;oi=book_result&#038;ct=result&#038;resnum=4</a><br />
- <a target="_blank" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=ntVAAAAAIAAJ&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=Lothrop+Stoddard" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=ntVAAAAAIAAJ&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=Lothrop+Stoddard</a><br />
- <a target="_blank" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=sG8AAAAAMAAJ&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=Lothrop+Stoddard" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=sG8AAAAAMAAJ&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=Lothrop+Stoddard</a><br />
- <a target="_blank" href="http://books.google.com/books?id=56w2AAAAMAAJ&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=Lothrop+Stoddard" rel="nofollow">http://books.google.com/books?id=56w2AAAAMAAJ&#038;printsec=frontcover&#038;dq=Lothrop+Stoddard</a><br />
- <a target="_blank" href="http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/cox/" rel="nofollow">http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/cox/</a><br />
- etc</p>
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