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	<title>Comments on: Hunter Wallace on an Ominous Trend in the BNP &#8212; Updated</title>
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		<title>By: Satch</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/prozium-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-13706</link>
		<dc:creator>Satch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 07:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats not just logic. Thats really senilbse.</description>
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		<title>By: Lee John Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee John Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 19:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that anyone not a Nazi in Hunters eyes is a Neo-Conservative.

Theres a colloquial English word for that - bollocks.

Look it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that anyone not a Nazi in Hunters eyes is a Neo-Conservative.</p>
<p>Theres a colloquial English word for that &#8211; bollocks.</p>
<p>Look it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee John Barnes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee John Barnes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 19:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would have been nice to know this &#039;debate&#039; was going to be published.

It appears Hunter knows about as much about White Nationalism as he knows about British Nationalism.

Which appears to be very little.

One wonders where he has been living all these years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would have been nice to know this &#8216;debate&#8217; was going to be published.</p>
<p>It appears Hunter knows about as much about White Nationalism as he knows about British Nationalism.</p>
<p>Which appears to be very little.</p>
<p>One wonders where he has been living all these years.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see this as a black and white issue with respectability. 

Prozium is right as far as saying we should not compromise our own core principles just for the sake of staying within the barriers of political correctness. If we have to pick one or the other, we should always stick to a core principle/belief - because to abandon even that would render our cause moot - we might as well just give up entirely. 

If white Britons do not matter to the BNP, then they might as well just call it a day and accept their genocide in the most comfortable terms possible. 

However, regardless of all that, we still have to pick for ourselves the best way to market our ideas. Should we adopt a swastika in our visual manifestations? Should we advocate an aggressive and brutal &quot;race war&quot; as part of our platform? 

Extreme examples, yes, but where I&#039;m going with this is that if you&#039;re going appeal to the public, there will ALWAYS be standards of decorum that one must follow. 

We have to face the hard fact that we don&#039;t control the terms of debate. We have our ancestors to blame for that - not being savvy and aggressive enough to resist the Marxist onslaught and losing complete control of our cultural institutions to them.

Our way forward is to be clever with our marketing. Couple our marketing of immigration restriction with the moral right of our people to have jobs with a decent standard of living, for example. Putting our position in moral terms that appeal to the liberal emotional programming that pervades society is the way forward. If at some point in our future our people want to cast off liberalism, then we can go down that road with them. But for now, we only have a narrow path forward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see this as a black and white issue with respectability. </p>
<p>Prozium is right as far as saying we should not compromise our own core principles just for the sake of staying within the barriers of political correctness. If we have to pick one or the other, we should always stick to a core principle/belief &#8211; because to abandon even that would render our cause moot &#8211; we might as well just give up entirely. </p>
<p>If white Britons do not matter to the BNP, then they might as well just call it a day and accept their genocide in the most comfortable terms possible. </p>
<p>However, regardless of all that, we still have to pick for ourselves the best way to market our ideas. Should we adopt a swastika in our visual manifestations? Should we advocate an aggressive and brutal &#8220;race war&#8221; as part of our platform? </p>
<p>Extreme examples, yes, but where I&#8217;m going with this is that if you&#8217;re going appeal to the public, there will ALWAYS be standards of decorum that one must follow. </p>
<p>We have to face the hard fact that we don&#8217;t control the terms of debate. We have our ancestors to blame for that &#8211; not being savvy and aggressive enough to resist the Marxist onslaught and losing complete control of our cultural institutions to them.</p>
<p>Our way forward is to be clever with our marketing. Couple our marketing of immigration restriction with the moral right of our people to have jobs with a decent standard of living, for example. Putting our position in moral terms that appeal to the liberal emotional programming that pervades society is the way forward. If at some point in our future our people want to cast off liberalism, then we can go down that road with them. But for now, we only have a narrow path forward.</p>
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		<title>By: White Advocate</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/prozium-bnp/comment-page-1/#comment-2236</link>
		<dc:creator>White Advocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 15:21:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point is that there is a gaping whole in British politics -- not a lack of neoconservatives, nor a lack of white racialists or nationalists or whatever they want to call themselves.  What is missing is political representation for traditional conservatives and culturally conservative populists, for latter-day Enoch Powells, who after all was a member of the Conservative Party, not the British Union of Fascists or League of Empire Loyalists or the sixties version of the BNP.  And the current BNP would do well to fill that unmet need given the major parties total indifference to the British immigration crisis.  As far as I can tell, the  UKIP doesn&#039;t have much of anything to say about immigration, so it is not the party to fill that void.  

There is also a role for a more ideologically pure and explicitely racialized grouping as well.  I&#039;d suggest it would be similar to the role played by actual Communist Party USA members in the post WW 2 liberal-globalist cultural revolution here in America: fill an ideological void, popularize important ideas mainstream polticians ignore, criticize your more moderate allies, work your butts off organizationally and rhetorically.  Then watch parts of your agenda get coopted by mainstream politicians and opinion makers actually able to get something done.  And keep fighting.   

&quot;On the other hand, your garden variety Abdul or Mohammad would remain excluded. This is a sensible policy. What is so objectionable about it?&quot;

Knock yourself out, but from the perspective of more moderate white advocacy, there is something arbitrary, irrational and contrary to, dare I say, a white sense of fairness about the insistence on excluding the few non-whites or members of other generally unassimilable groups that are genuinely supportive of the BNP and traditional white-ruled England.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point is that there is a gaping whole in British politics &#8212; not a lack of neoconservatives, nor a lack of white racialists or nationalists or whatever they want to call themselves.  What is missing is political representation for traditional conservatives and culturally conservative populists, for latter-day Enoch Powells, who after all was a member of the Conservative Party, not the British Union of Fascists or League of Empire Loyalists or the sixties version of the BNP.  And the current BNP would do well to fill that unmet need given the major parties total indifference to the British immigration crisis.  As far as I can tell, the  UKIP doesn&#8217;t have much of anything to say about immigration, so it is not the party to fill that void.  </p>
<p>There is also a role for a more ideologically pure and explicitely racialized grouping as well.  I&#8217;d suggest it would be similar to the role played by actual Communist Party USA members in the post WW 2 liberal-globalist cultural revolution here in America: fill an ideological void, popularize important ideas mainstream polticians ignore, criticize your more moderate allies, work your butts off organizationally and rhetorically.  Then watch parts of your agenda get coopted by mainstream politicians and opinion makers actually able to get something done.  And keep fighting.   </p>
<p>&#8220;On the other hand, your garden variety Abdul or Mohammad would remain excluded. This is a sensible policy. What is so objectionable about it?&#8221;</p>
<p>Knock yourself out, but from the perspective of more moderate white advocacy, there is something arbitrary, irrational and contrary to, dare I say, a white sense of fairness about the insistence on excluding the few non-whites or members of other generally unassimilable groups that are genuinely supportive of the BNP and traditional white-ruled England.</p>
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		<title>By: Fynn Donahue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fynn Donahue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It appears that Mr. Barnes has concluded that &quot;culture&quot; is marketable while &quot;race&quot; isn&#039;t. He is trying to get out from under the &quot;nazi&quot; tag by accusing another group of being &quot;nazis&quot;.  He&#039;s not them, they suck, he&#039;s a nationalist.   Nazism is a millstone, with Nationalism you can soar. I wish him well and would welcome a BNP victory. I don&#039;t think his enemies in the state media will cooperate in sticking to his terminology, tho.  Anyway, my conception of white nationalism involves the citizens of any white country having control of immigration in their own lands - he seems to think WN has a libertarian conception of immigration for all the white countries.   The BNP has had some small success,  but if a white heritage party is to succeed, its deeds will have to far surpass those of the BNP or any other such existing group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It appears that Mr. Barnes has concluded that &#8220;culture&#8221; is marketable while &#8220;race&#8221; isn&#8217;t. He is trying to get out from under the &#8220;nazi&#8221; tag by accusing another group of being &#8220;nazis&#8221;.  He&#8217;s not them, they suck, he&#8217;s a nationalist.   Nazism is a millstone, with Nationalism you can soar. I wish him well and would welcome a BNP victory. I don&#8217;t think his enemies in the state media will cooperate in sticking to his terminology, tho.  Anyway, my conception of white nationalism involves the citizens of any white country having control of immigration in their own lands &#8211; he seems to think WN has a libertarian conception of immigration for all the white countries.   The BNP has had some small success,  but if a white heritage party is to succeed, its deeds will have to far surpass those of the BNP or any other such existing group.</p>
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		<title>By: Culnnall</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 03:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proziums standing up for Racialism was excellent!

Better to &#039;Ride the Tiger&#039; then become neo-conservative paper tigers!!

Also from my understanding there is still a Tyndall-ite rump National Front faction out there still, that would be a much better alternative for a White Nationalist to look to then the ominous &#039;neo-con in the making&#039; turn the BNP may soon make.  (always try and point out alternatives!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proziums standing up for Racialism was excellent!</p>
<p>Better to &#8216;Ride the Tiger&#8217; then become neo-conservative paper tigers!!</p>
<p>Also from my understanding there is still a Tyndall-ite rump National Front faction out there still, that would be a much better alternative for a White Nationalist to look to then the ominous &#8216;neo-con in the making&#8217; turn the BNP may soon make.  (always try and point out alternatives!)</p>
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		<title>By: Tim P.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim P.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand a lot of what Barnes is saying. It is quite unfortunate that the system will force them to admit non-ethnic British in their membership, but Barnes is also correct in noting that there is a tendency among White Nationalists to downplay inter-white differences. Italians are not English, etc.

Some people go further and say nationality/ethnicity is not important at all, when the reality is that from the standpoint of kin and genetics, nationality is far more important than race. 

I don&#039;t see the point in arguing with the BNP leadership over it. The system will have its way with their membership requirement and there&#039;s nothing outside of violent revolution that will stop it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand a lot of what Barnes is saying. It is quite unfortunate that the system will force them to admit non-ethnic British in their membership, but Barnes is also correct in noting that there is a tendency among White Nationalists to downplay inter-white differences. Italians are not English, etc.</p>
<p>Some people go further and say nationality/ethnicity is not important at all, when the reality is that from the standpoint of kin and genetics, nationality is far more important than race. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the point in arguing with the BNP leadership over it. The system will have its way with their membership requirement and there&#8217;s nothing outside of violent revolution that will stop it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kulaks Never Learn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kulaks Never Learn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 21:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corrected first link -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0aE14YoAc&amp;feature=related

Thought you all might like this one also -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XPHL4Q86t4&amp;feature=related

&quot;The nations, not so blest as thee, 
Must, in their turns, to tyrants fall; 
While thou shalt flourish great and free, 
The dread and envy of them all. 
&quot;Rule, Britannia! Britannia rules the waves: 
&quot;Britons never never never will be slaves.&quot; 

*Your country Britain IS FALLING TO TYRANTS, and the BNP is THE ONLY HOPE FOR REDEMPTION!

Why, in the hopes of becoming &#039;mainstream&#039; and &#039;respectable&#039; wish to JOIN THE TYRANTS?

&quot;Thee haughty tyrants ne&#039;er shall tame: 
All their attempts to bend thee down, 
Will but arouse thy generous flame; 
But work their woe, and thy renown. 
&quot;Rule, Britannia! Britannia rules the waves: 
&quot;Britons never never never will be slaves.&quot; 

MEN of the BNP: Your JOB is to fight the tyrants and their Mammonite regime and all their &#039;attempts to bend thee down&#039; ... not look to attend their cocktail parties.

It is UP TO YOU, MEN of the BNP, to *SOLDIER ON* for Britain in its most DARKEST HOUR, and to help &#039;arouse thy generous flame&#039; of YOUR PEOPLE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corrected first link -</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0aE14YoAc&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x0aE14YoAc&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>Thought you all might like this one also -</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XPHL4Q86t4&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XPHL4Q86t4&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>&#8220;The nations, not so blest as thee,<br />
Must, in their turns, to tyrants fall;<br />
While thou shalt flourish great and free,<br />
The dread and envy of them all.<br />
&#8220;Rule, Britannia! Britannia rules the waves:<br />
&#8220;Britons never never never will be slaves.&#8221; </p>
<p>*Your country Britain IS FALLING TO TYRANTS, and the BNP is THE ONLY HOPE FOR REDEMPTION!</p>
<p>Why, in the hopes of becoming &#8216;mainstream&#8217; and &#8216;respectable&#8217; wish to JOIN THE TYRANTS?</p>
<p>&#8220;Thee haughty tyrants ne&#8217;er shall tame:<br />
All their attempts to bend thee down,<br />
Will but arouse thy generous flame;<br />
But work their woe, and thy renown.<br />
&#8220;Rule, Britannia! Britannia rules the waves:<br />
&#8220;Britons never never never will be slaves.&#8221; </p>
<p>MEN of the BNP: Your JOB is to fight the tyrants and their Mammonite regime and all their &#8216;attempts to bend thee down&#8217; &#8230; not look to attend their cocktail parties.</p>
<p>It is UP TO YOU, MEN of the BNP, to *SOLDIER ON* for Britain in its most DARKEST HOUR, and to help &#8216;arouse thy generous flame&#8217; of YOUR PEOPLE.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only &quot;respectable&quot; opposition is an ineffectual one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only &#8220;respectable&#8221; opposition is an ineffectual one.</p>
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		<title>By: Kulaks Never Learn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kulaks Never Learn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“It is better to stay politically irrelevant and racialized than powerful and deracialized. If the BNP ever has a Prime Minister like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush it will have been utterly and completely defeated.”
__

SO TRUE PROZIUM, SO DAMNED TRUE!!!!!

To all BNP members,

PLEASE ACCEPT Proz’s insight and advice on this, for this ‘respectability’ thing is just a tool of the Jews — and Mammon — to get control and ultimately to DESTROY YOU.

PLEASE ALSO EDUCATE your fellow British ‘Kulaks’ on the truth of this matter, and never lose your integrity and character … and, more importantly, surrender your TRUE POWER as examples of how WHITE MEN, rather than ‘White boys’ are to behave and carry themselves.

On the respectability thing, be more concerned with being ‘respectable’ to those WHO MATTER, your brave comrades and your Anglo-Celtic kinsman!

*For all that your party has done to be a shining example not just to British Whites, but to WHITE PEOPLE the world over, I wish to play this song in all your honour -

THE BRITISH GRENADIERS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7×0aE14YoAc&amp;feature=related

Full Version -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTJfKrT-ddE&amp;feature=related

*

“… BUT OUR BRAVE BOYS DO KNOW IT,
AND BANISH ALL THEIR FEARS. …”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“It is better to stay politically irrelevant and racialized than powerful and deracialized. If the BNP ever has a Prime Minister like Ronald Reagan or George W. Bush it will have been utterly and completely defeated.”<br />
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<p>SO TRUE PROZIUM, SO DAMNED TRUE!!!!!</p>
<p>To all BNP members,</p>
<p>PLEASE ACCEPT Proz’s insight and advice on this, for this ‘respectability’ thing is just a tool of the Jews — and Mammon — to get control and ultimately to DESTROY YOU.</p>
<p>PLEASE ALSO EDUCATE your fellow British ‘Kulaks’ on the truth of this matter, and never lose your integrity and character … and, more importantly, surrender your TRUE POWER as examples of how WHITE MEN, rather than ‘White boys’ are to behave and carry themselves.</p>
<p>On the respectability thing, be more concerned with being ‘respectable’ to those WHO MATTER, your brave comrades and your Anglo-Celtic kinsman!</p>
<p>*For all that your party has done to be a shining example not just to British Whites, but to WHITE PEOPLE the world over, I wish to play this song in all your honour -</p>
<p>THE BRITISH GRENADIERS<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7×0aE14YoAc&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7×0aE14YoAc&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>Full Version -<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTJfKrT-ddE&#038;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTJfKrT-ddE&#038;feature=related</a></p>
<p>*</p>
<p>“… BUT OUR BRAVE BOYS DO KNOW IT,<br />
AND BANISH ALL THEIR FEARS. …”</p>
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		<title>By: Frederich</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frederich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 20:15:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done.</description>
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		<title>By: HA</title>
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		<dc:creator>HA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 12:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee Barnes, Fred Barnes, hard to tell the difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee Barnes, Fred Barnes, hard to tell the difference.</p>
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