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		<title>By: Karl ketzer</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/uppity-whites/comment-page-1/#comment-2859</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl ketzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 00:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been reading Prozium for years.  His latest column is  a home run.  Whenever I read something with which I 100% agree, I re-read more critically to see if I can find something - anything- to criticize. 

I cannot. 

It reminds me of the critique offered by the Southern Avenger. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qc2iK-p4Hk&amp;feature=channel_page

I hate to admit it, but worse is - for the time being - better.  

Prozium is thinking long-term. It behooves the rest of us to likewise plan for the long-term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been reading Prozium for years.  His latest column is  a home run.  Whenever I read something with which I 100% agree, I re-read more critically to see if I can find something &#8211; anything- to criticize. </p>
<p>I cannot. </p>
<p>It reminds me of the critique offered by the Southern Avenger. <a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qc2iK-p4Hk&#038;feature=channel_page" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qc2iK-p4Hk&#038;feature=channel_page</a></p>
<p>I hate to admit it, but worse is &#8211; for the time being &#8211; better.  </p>
<p>Prozium is thinking long-term. It behooves the rest of us to likewise plan for the long-term.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Logsdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Logsdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 19:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry for the bluntness-

&quot;Foremost amongst these rules is the notion that whites aren’t to be allowed a positive racial identity or any sense of collective group interest.&quot;

What are the rules for your type of pro white activist?  He can&#039;t have any affiliation or participate in any political movement, he must despise any and all who speak out for whites via any medium that has more than a few hundred listeners or readers?  Everybody is a sellout unless they do what you do which is - nothing?  We don&#039;t have years to spare on this insanity! In spite of the bad press Tea-parties are just such  a political movement that connects pro white people in a positive way.  Who cares what the left press says about it.

 &quot; D) rule is clearly better for White Nationalism. There is more radicalism in the air under Obama than Bush.&quot;  That suicidal rant and it&#039;s many variations  is coming close to killing us all unless we wake up.  Yes -lets give the democrats four more years to destroy our families, wear us down and lay the groundwork and build the fortifications for the final battle.   Let them blind us by destroying our ability to track our enemies movements and connect with one another though the internet and then just when it counts because we are all angry we will some how rise up from our poverty and isolation. In a disjointed and disoriented state we will move to defeat our oppressors with no money, little coordination four years of stress, beaten down, battle fatigued- then will will be ready? Ready for a victory?  Wow that was simple just get rid of Limbaugh, Beck, Dobbs etc and we will morph into a motivated dedicated fighting machine capable of defeating our millionaires, heavily armed oppressors (who have had four more years) to conduct surveillance on us; tap phones trace IP&#039;s , emails and cross-reference that with all gun ownership, homeschooling etc. Radicalism is not a plan nor a path it&#039;s just indicative of motivation and willingness to think outside the box.  

It&#039;s time someone got angry in this movement and demanded some honesty.  Maybe, Just maybe, the fringe in our movement is the fringe because it&#039;s proponents offer no real path or solutions other than abstractions. As Sammy Hagar once coined in a rock song this is&quot;mental masturbation&quot;.  I no longer care how well educated this group is how brilliant your chatter it&#039;s time to offer real people real solutions.  

&quot;Fraud is the curse of our Movement, more than anything else the cause of fifty years of failure. Let me tell you how to spot a Movement fraud, in one easy lesson. A Movement fraud demands only two things of you: your money and your applause. He never asks you to take any risk; indeed, he would prefer you did not, because if you lose your job you can&#039;t contribute money to him, can you? He never asks you to undertake any inconvenience.&quot;. . .H. A. Covington. 

Other than donating to this and other websites what do you propose? The minds here are worthy of the task you just won&#039;t focus on tangibles and realities.
Other than intellectual preening where are the articles that I missed. Where is the path?  Prepare your people for progress. Help them to become stronger in whatever small or large way possible and let the Conservatives slow down the enemy at our flanks and serve as a gateway drug to more aware whites for of our cause. We can&#039;t take another four years of hits and be ready for any battle. 

&quot;Splintered, disorganized, fraught with infighting and jealous squabbles, denizens of the Patriot community truly make up the Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight. Even so, we represent America ’s best, possibly last, hope for redemption from the bottomless pit into which our warmongering, capitalist/exploitive, fascist rulers seem bent upon flinging all of America .If only we could get on the same page. If only we could agree upon what it is that we want. Freedom, to be sure, but you don’t just go out and get freedom; first you must do or get something from which freedom results. And there may well be a number of intervening steps. Or many different paths to the same objective.&quot;- Edgar J. Steele

 What if we could agree we have to start the wheel turning forward before we can turn.  If you knew that in two years there would be a start of a physical battle or a final political show down and it&#039;s consequences? If you could ask all whites and their families to take ten steps to prepare themselves, cheap, legal but a sure way to armour themselves.  What would those steps be?

Ask for sacrifice. Ask for action. Maybe some are ready and listening.  String five to ten suggestions together that would improve a white mans family   Something cheap, doable and get him to move forward no matter how small or  slow. Let your posts articles and websites refine and improve those suggestions until we have a solid logical next to foolproof way to get the wheel turning. Give a gradual path to strength  and unity or we will  &quot;all hang separately&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry for the bluntness-</p>
<p>&#8220;Foremost amongst these rules is the notion that whites aren’t to be allowed a positive racial identity or any sense of collective group interest.&#8221;</p>
<p>What are the rules for your type of pro white activist?  He can&#8217;t have any affiliation or participate in any political movement, he must despise any and all who speak out for whites via any medium that has more than a few hundred listeners or readers?  Everybody is a sellout unless they do what you do which is &#8211; nothing?  We don&#8217;t have years to spare on this insanity! In spite of the bad press Tea-parties are just such  a political movement that connects pro white people in a positive way.  Who cares what the left press says about it.</p>
<p> &#8221; D) rule is clearly better for White Nationalism. There is more radicalism in the air under Obama than Bush.&#8221;  That suicidal rant and it&#8217;s many variations  is coming close to killing us all unless we wake up.  Yes -lets give the democrats four more years to destroy our families, wear us down and lay the groundwork and build the fortifications for the final battle.   Let them blind us by destroying our ability to track our enemies movements and connect with one another though the internet and then just when it counts because we are all angry we will some how rise up from our poverty and isolation. In a disjointed and disoriented state we will move to defeat our oppressors with no money, little coordination four years of stress, beaten down, battle fatigued- then will will be ready? Ready for a victory?  Wow that was simple just get rid of Limbaugh, Beck, Dobbs etc and we will morph into a motivated dedicated fighting machine capable of defeating our millionaires, heavily armed oppressors (who have had four more years) to conduct surveillance on us; tap phones trace IP&#8217;s , emails and cross-reference that with all gun ownership, homeschooling etc. Radicalism is not a plan nor a path it&#8217;s just indicative of motivation and willingness to think outside the box.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s time someone got angry in this movement and demanded some honesty.  Maybe, Just maybe, the fringe in our movement is the fringe because it&#8217;s proponents offer no real path or solutions other than abstractions. As Sammy Hagar once coined in a rock song this is&#8221;mental masturbation&#8221;.  I no longer care how well educated this group is how brilliant your chatter it&#8217;s time to offer real people real solutions.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Fraud is the curse of our Movement, more than anything else the cause of fifty years of failure. Let me tell you how to spot a Movement fraud, in one easy lesson. A Movement fraud demands only two things of you: your money and your applause. He never asks you to take any risk; indeed, he would prefer you did not, because if you lose your job you can&#8217;t contribute money to him, can you? He never asks you to undertake any inconvenience.&#8221;. . .H. A. Covington. </p>
<p>Other than donating to this and other websites what do you propose? The minds here are worthy of the task you just won&#8217;t focus on tangibles and realities.<br />
Other than intellectual preening where are the articles that I missed. Where is the path?  Prepare your people for progress. Help them to become stronger in whatever small or large way possible and let the Conservatives slow down the enemy at our flanks and serve as a gateway drug to more aware whites for of our cause. We can&#8217;t take another four years of hits and be ready for any battle. </p>
<p>&#8220;Splintered, disorganized, fraught with infighting and jealous squabbles, denizens of the Patriot community truly make up the Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight. Even so, we represent America ’s best, possibly last, hope for redemption from the bottomless pit into which our warmongering, capitalist/exploitive, fascist rulers seem bent upon flinging all of America .If only we could get on the same page. If only we could agree upon what it is that we want. Freedom, to be sure, but you don’t just go out and get freedom; first you must do or get something from which freedom results. And there may well be a number of intervening steps. Or many different paths to the same objective.&#8221;- Edgar J. Steele</p>
<p> What if we could agree we have to start the wheel turning forward before we can turn.  If you knew that in two years there would be a start of a physical battle or a final political show down and it&#8217;s consequences? If you could ask all whites and their families to take ten steps to prepare themselves, cheap, legal but a sure way to armour themselves.  What would those steps be?</p>
<p>Ask for sacrifice. Ask for action. Maybe some are ready and listening.  String five to ten suggestions together that would improve a white mans family   Something cheap, doable and get him to move forward no matter how small or  slow. Let your posts articles and websites refine and improve those suggestions until we have a solid logical next to foolproof way to get the wheel turning. Give a gradual path to strength  and unity or we will  &#8220;all hang separately&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dedalus</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/uppity-whites/comment-page-1/#comment-2796</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedalus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 07:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article made me want to stand and cheer.

For example, &quot;The wrong sort of people are getting notions. A huge mob of ordinary white people aren’t kowtowing before the NYC Jews and showing them the customary deference.&quot;

and this one, 

&quot; The rise of White Nationalism presupposes the death of conservatism. The most intelligent, forward thinking minds are always far ahead of the masses. &quot;

But the &quot;Get the White Man&quot; is already upon us, as the Crowley affair made perfectly obvious, and not just that.

The aptly initialed &quot;BO&quot;, as I like to call him, is a pathetic clown and THE symbol of the &quot;best&quot; they will ever have to offer.  He&#039;s not even slick.  With his bogus and corny, painfully self-conscious &quot;hipness&quot;, and the way his sycophants in the Press, and Public, convince themselves they are not lying when they gush about him and his &quot;acheivements.&quot;  He is just sickening. 

There are all kinds of ways the Leviathan can self-implode, and it will.  It isn&#039;t like a mass, it IS a mass.  They can delude themselves all they want, but being mass they will suffer the fate of any mass.   A random, though large, collection of atoms with NO CENTER, just a bull shit narrative with no bearing on Reality, that struggles to meet at a center that does not exist In Reality, will dissolve.

That is not to say that we shouldn&#039;t be concerned about the damage they can do before it&#039;s all said and done, but we had better be prepared for success!

To that point I would like to say a word about us.  
Disjunctive does not necessarily mean Dysfunctional, but it could, and the two certainly do apply to Whites.  They apply to the other races as well, but I&#039;m not all that interested in them at the moment.

As even this article suggests, indirectly, Whites are a what you might call a Disjunctive category, more so than any other Race, simply because we&#039;re smarter and have more diversity within our Race, which is really what the Romantics were refering to when they used the word, though of course they didn&#039;t put it in Racial terms, for obvious reasons.

The paradox is that though &quot;Diversity is our Strength&quot; does not apply to all races living in one place, namely a country, it does, or can, apply to Whites as a Race.
It&#039;s an undeniable fact that we are an extremely diverse bunch.
There&#039;s gold in them there hills.  I see a huge and valuable resource in that group that we would be wise not to turn up our nose at.
I think that anything we do must address this disjunctivity and what we can do about it, and it must address the extent of genuine dysfunction.  That&#039;s definitely there as well, for a number of reasons. But, there&#039;s a lot more we can do about that than we think.

Still, we desperately need an organizing principle, beyond the negative principle that they&#039;re all out to get us.  &quot;Let&#039;s unite because if not we&#039;re doomed&quot; is a not very inspiring counsel of despair that isn&#039;t likely to do more than get a few of us under the same canopy, so to speak.  A bit of quick shelter from the storm.  
And then what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article made me want to stand and cheer.</p>
<p>For example, &#8220;The wrong sort of people are getting notions. A huge mob of ordinary white people aren’t kowtowing before the NYC Jews and showing them the customary deference.&#8221;</p>
<p>and this one, </p>
<p>&#8221; The rise of White Nationalism presupposes the death of conservatism. The most intelligent, forward thinking minds are always far ahead of the masses. &#8221;</p>
<p>But the &#8220;Get the White Man&#8221; is already upon us, as the Crowley affair made perfectly obvious, and not just that.</p>
<p>The aptly initialed &#8220;BO&#8221;, as I like to call him, is a pathetic clown and THE symbol of the &#8220;best&#8221; they will ever have to offer.  He&#8217;s not even slick.  With his bogus and corny, painfully self-conscious &#8220;hipness&#8221;, and the way his sycophants in the Press, and Public, convince themselves they are not lying when they gush about him and his &#8220;acheivements.&#8221;  He is just sickening. </p>
<p>There are all kinds of ways the Leviathan can self-implode, and it will.  It isn&#8217;t like a mass, it IS a mass.  They can delude themselves all they want, but being mass they will suffer the fate of any mass.   A random, though large, collection of atoms with NO CENTER, just a bull shit narrative with no bearing on Reality, that struggles to meet at a center that does not exist In Reality, will dissolve.</p>
<p>That is not to say that we shouldn&#8217;t be concerned about the damage they can do before it&#8217;s all said and done, but we had better be prepared for success!</p>
<p>To that point I would like to say a word about us.<br />
Disjunctive does not necessarily mean Dysfunctional, but it could, and the two certainly do apply to Whites.  They apply to the other races as well, but I&#8217;m not all that interested in them at the moment.</p>
<p>As even this article suggests, indirectly, Whites are a what you might call a Disjunctive category, more so than any other Race, simply because we&#8217;re smarter and have more diversity within our Race, which is really what the Romantics were refering to when they used the word, though of course they didn&#8217;t put it in Racial terms, for obvious reasons.</p>
<p>The paradox is that though &#8220;Diversity is our Strength&#8221; does not apply to all races living in one place, namely a country, it does, or can, apply to Whites as a Race.<br />
It&#8217;s an undeniable fact that we are an extremely diverse bunch.<br />
There&#8217;s gold in them there hills.  I see a huge and valuable resource in that group that we would be wise not to turn up our nose at.<br />
I think that anything we do must address this disjunctivity and what we can do about it, and it must address the extent of genuine dysfunction.  That&#8217;s definitely there as well, for a number of reasons. But, there&#8217;s a lot more we can do about that than we think.</p>
<p>Still, we desperately need an organizing principle, beyond the negative principle that they&#8217;re all out to get us.  &#8220;Let&#8217;s unite because if not we&#8217;re doomed&#8221; is a not very inspiring counsel of despair that isn&#8217;t likely to do more than get a few of us under the same canopy, so to speak.  A bit of quick shelter from the storm.<br />
And then what?</p>
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		<title>By: phil white</title>
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		<dc:creator>phil white</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 22:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can continue to blog and mix socially with despondent T party people and &quot;Put them in touch with their feelings&quot; in Sam Dickson&#039;s phrase.
But the T-party people will like educate themselves over the long term.  There is the internet for their self help.
But for us, the WN&#039;ist aware internet activist, the crucial thing now is to get up from the computer and link up with each other in the real world.
The second thing, for those of us financially able, is to congregate in a small region of the country and take it back politically.
I&#039;m re-readin Tom Chittums &quot;CWII&quot; where in he states that secession or redentivism is much more likely when the upset populaiton group has a territory of their fellow nationals living next door.  That is their example, and is why ZOG trys to destroy white homelands like Iceland, there can be no examples.
I nominate the Pacific Northwest as our political target.
Gott go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can continue to blog and mix socially with despondent T party people and &#8220;Put them in touch with their feelings&#8221; in Sam Dickson&#8217;s phrase.<br />
But the T-party people will like educate themselves over the long term.  There is the internet for their self help.<br />
But for us, the WN&#8217;ist aware internet activist, the crucial thing now is to get up from the computer and link up with each other in the real world.<br />
The second thing, for those of us financially able, is to congregate in a small region of the country and take it back politically.<br />
I&#8217;m re-readin Tom Chittums &#8220;CWII&#8221; where in he states that secession or redentivism is much more likely when the upset populaiton group has a territory of their fellow nationals living next door.  That is their example, and is why ZOG trys to destroy white homelands like Iceland, there can be no examples.<br />
I nominate the Pacific Northwest as our political target.<br />
Gott go.</p>
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		<title>By: HA</title>
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		<dc:creator>HA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 16:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should we be conceding that any of these political or media Rs is actually a conservative?  Reflexive defense of capitalism, anti-state rhetoric, idealist foreign policy...I consider them liberals of the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should we be conceding that any of these political or media Rs is actually a conservative?  Reflexive defense of capitalism, anti-state rhetoric, idealist foreign policy&#8230;I consider them liberals of the right.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can only hope that what are currently considered fringe views, will over time become more broadly accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can only hope that what are currently considered fringe views, will over time become more broadly accepted.</p>
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