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		<title>By: Dedalus</title>
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		<description>Among the racially conscious there are two basic groups, Exposed, and Unexposed.
The Exposed are those who either grew up, or through the accidents of life, wound up, in constant contact with hostile non-Whites.  
The Unexposed, are either middle to upper middle class Whites who, as a result of their socio-economic status have social protection (all White communities far from non-Whites) and psychic insulation (a room, or place, of their own, where, presumably, they can come into their own). Or they are the rural, and generally lower class to poor, Whites, whose customs and rtiuals are different from the middle to upper middle classes but who share the same social protection.

I think it would be instructive, and possibly inspiring, to cull a number of different stories from these groups based on the extent of exposure, or lack of, and how their position shaped them and effected their lives. 

In any event, this article struck me as having been written by someone who has had the good fortune to spend a lot of time reading (and perhaps also traveling?), and also the good fortune, or perhaps not, it’s hard to tell, of having little direct contact with hostile non-Whites. But when you put the two together, ie; lots of reading, and little direct contact with violent hostility, in an article that then proceeds to lecture us all on how we are supposed to respond, it makes for a mildly entertaing and positively irritating reading experience. Particularly for the Exposed, who simply know better.  (If the writer turns out to be a member of the Exposed then I will retract my above statement, afterall, no one&#039;s perfect; but for now, my hunch will stand).

Either way, there was too much over-simplification and either/or moralizing in this piece. And if he really is a member of the Exposed he should know better.  The truth of the matter is far more complex. 

I will say that the idea behind this article has an awful lot of potential and raises a lot of very interesting and important points.  But then it wouldn’t be an article, it would be an essay, or book perhaps. And it could not be, should not be, written by a member of the Unexposed. But, obviously, I’m a little biased on the matter. 

Be that as it may,  I’m not sure what Mr. Kurtagic’s point is. That we become blood thirsty psychopaths incapable of any real human feeling long enough to kill our enemy?  
I won&#039;t deny for a second that that is one thought that does have its charms.  
But, if we succeed then we truly will have achieved a Phyrric victory because we will have eliminated the defining characteristic of civilized man, which, as far as I’m concerned, is the circumnavigation of the use of force. 

Or, perhaps the point is the “judicial” use of force applied in a timely manner in order to protect civilization.  

Now who could argue with that?

Personally, I’m all for it. But that truly is a complex matter in desperate need of more careful analysis, not to mention concrete solutions, that go beyond mere moralizing we find in his piece.  

I have a true story, pertinent to these considerations, that may be well worth telling at this point. 

While working in Manhattan at a Hotel on the night of the Puerto Rican Day Parade (during the mid-90&#039;s) after delivering a message to a guest I rode the elevator to the Lobby floor and when it opened up I saw a big Puerto Rican guy lumbering over a lady in a chair that I assumed was his girlfriend, since it looked like he was trying to kiss her.  
It was my girlfriend, who had stopped by to drop off my apartment keys.
I simply asked him to follow me out of the door and on to the street.  While we were walking out I could smell the reprocessed booze on his breath and he turned to me and started taunting me with references to my girlfriend and my mother. I remember two things very clearly at that moment.  One, having an out of body experience as a result of wanting to kill the guy, and two, thinking, “if he’s capable of behaving like that in a public place and with someone else’s woman, who knows what else he’s capable of?   ie, Does he have a gun? A knife?  If he carries one or the other, or both, then he probably knows how to use it, or is willing to use it. Are people going to get hurt?”  But above all, and this was the result of years of experience, from childhood to young adulthood to adulthood, my thought was, &quot;No matter what I do, this could easily backfire against me, no matter how right I am, or how hard I fight.&quot;  

I’ve been in this position before.
   
In any event, I called security, which at this moment consisted of a Jamacain man who was a black belt that I had done a little training with at that time.  He and the shift manager came outside and we tried to get this guy to go while he continued to taunt me as if I had done something wrong by asking him to leave the woman, my girlfriend, alone, and to leave the premises, which of course was what any employee, and boyfriend, would be expected to do.

He left off a doozy of a barrage of insults and the shift manager and security guard both stepped back -- a non-verbal gesture that clearly said, &quot;Let him have it.&quot;
So I did.  I hit him as hard as I could and he went down.  I almost knocked him out, but not quite.  After a few seconds he was shaking his head and up on his feet (like me, he&#039;d been hit many times, you could just tell.  But unlike me, he was a remorseless psychopath. And here lies the difference.  It’s a big difference -– and one we would do well to remind ourselves, since it is clearly what we are up against.  As far as I can tell, civilized people, for the most part, receive a certain training in manners and decorum that pushes out psychopathic behavior, while guys like him grow up steeped in it, so that they are practically psychopath addicts.  Ya know, like the guys who control all of the major institutions today, from information media, to finance, to government). 

At that point the &quot;fight&quot; was broken up and the Police arrived.  When we were separated I went to check on my girlfriend who was strangely silent with me.  

When I asked her what was wrong she told me flat out -- &quot;I&#039;m not impressed that you hit someone for me.&quot;

When the Police got there they turned out to be Puerto Ricans, both of them. 
And their idea of &quot;resolving&quot; the situation was to actually ask me to give the guy I had just hit my home address so that we could meet and sort it out.  At that moment I had another out of body experience, one I knew better than to act on.

I am sure that, with variations, this kind of thing has been, and continues to be, repeated throughout the Western world today, to the Exposed. Though this was one of the worst experiences I had it was one of many –- many –- such experiences for me. 

Later, the Jamaican pulled me aside and gave me a luke-warm congratulations on hitting the guy but then immediately followed by saying &quot;You didn&#039;t hit him hard enough.  After you got him on the ground you should have taken him by the collar and dragged him off the property where you could finish him.&quot;  Meaning, beat him until he can&#039;t get up. 
At least until my shift was over I guess.  He assured me that that was the ONLY thing a guy like that would respect. And, because I didn’t do it, I should expect another visit. 
I told him I didn&#039;t want that guys respect and the Jamaican responded by changing his tone of voice to one of obvious racial resentment and told me &quot;maybe he doesn&#039;t want yours.&quot;

In short, the Black security guard, the Puerto Rican Police and, my White girlfriend all came down against Me!  Oh, as did, later, the Hotels Jewish GM. The only good news to come out of it was that I wasn’t fired. But, and for me, more importantly, and as if things couldn’t get worse, there was this.

The next day, understandably shook up, I called my mother, who lived two hours away, to tell her what happened.  

She was a die-hard Northeastern, Irish Catholic Kennedy Liberal.  Anything that did not fit into her template was rejected, and that included her son’s experiences with hostile non-Whites. In one sense, Especially her son’s horror stories, since they had the tendency to rip her worldview apart and blow it to smithereens.  Obviously, I HAD to be guilty of Something! Nobody could be THAT unlucky.

I mention this because I know for a fact that I am hardly the only White man who grew up in the second half of the 20th century, or is growing up in the 21st, who was exposed and getting it from every possible angle, literally.  All you have to do is refuse to give in, and offer even the slightest bit of resistance -- and I had the tendency to offer a lot, as far as they were concerned. 

As far as I&#039;m concerned, all of them were wrong then and they are wrong now.  

But they all had a group to go to. 

I didn’t.  So, it was Reality versus Consensus Reality.

For me it was a nightmare. It took me five years after that to get out, and I did.  Barring a miracle I am never going back. What would I go back to, since the situation has only gotten worse?  Given the fact that I got out, and my mother’s apology for a lifetime devoted to sentimentality and sanctimoniousness, instead of to her son, I would consider myself very lucky indeed, since many Exposed Whites never get out, and never get an apology, from anyone, ever.  

Those people are the real Secret Heroes.  Their suffering fills me with rage, since I know it so well. 

But their ability to endure is inspiring. Why not focus on that?  It would be worth it.  

Especially since there are millions of us!

In any event, there is a difference between courageous and foolhardy. Just what are the dangerously exposed among us supposed to do?  I did the best I could in those circumstances, and I think I did pretty well, considering the fact that, for all intents and purposes, I was alone. Or, might as well have been.
 
And now we get to the other problem that the exposed face.  It is not just a Jewish led coalition of hostile non-Whites.

It is other Whites as well.  And not liberals, but, those Unexposed, racially conscious Whites, who are manifestly indifferent to us.  They have an obvious lack of concern for Exposed Whites and a corresponding, and cowardly, tendency to censor criticism just as the Jews that many complain about do. How inspiring do you think that is?  

I think what is inspiring is rallying around an organizing principle, not yet more moralizing.  I think what sets Whites apart from non-whites and Jews is the notion of the Free Spirit, in the Hegelian sense. 

Or, as Nietzsche put it, the Sovereign Individual, which he rightly called the crowing achievement of Mankind. 

That would be something worth fighting for, since a group is only as strong as its individual members. 

But that would require us learning how to create, preserve and protect such an individual. An individual who is prepared to stand on his own, and also join others of his own race confident in the knowledge that those others will not fail him at the critical moment. Few will argue that that critical moment is here.  

And the individuals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among the racially conscious there are two basic groups, Exposed, and Unexposed.<br />
The Exposed are those who either grew up, or through the accidents of life, wound up, in constant contact with hostile non-Whites.<br />
The Unexposed, are either middle to upper middle class Whites who, as a result of their socio-economic status have social protection (all White communities far from non-Whites) and psychic insulation (a room, or place, of their own, where, presumably, they can come into their own). Or they are the rural, and generally lower class to poor, Whites, whose customs and rtiuals are different from the middle to upper middle classes but who share the same social protection.</p>
<p>I think it would be instructive, and possibly inspiring, to cull a number of different stories from these groups based on the extent of exposure, or lack of, and how their position shaped them and effected their lives. </p>
<p>In any event, this article struck me as having been written by someone who has had the good fortune to spend a lot of time reading (and perhaps also traveling?), and also the good fortune, or perhaps not, it’s hard to tell, of having little direct contact with hostile non-Whites. But when you put the two together, ie; lots of reading, and little direct contact with violent hostility, in an article that then proceeds to lecture us all on how we are supposed to respond, it makes for a mildly entertaing and positively irritating reading experience. Particularly for the Exposed, who simply know better.  (If the writer turns out to be a member of the Exposed then I will retract my above statement, afterall, no one&#8217;s perfect; but for now, my hunch will stand).</p>
<p>Either way, there was too much over-simplification and either/or moralizing in this piece. And if he really is a member of the Exposed he should know better.  The truth of the matter is far more complex. </p>
<p>I will say that the idea behind this article has an awful lot of potential and raises a lot of very interesting and important points.  But then it wouldn’t be an article, it would be an essay, or book perhaps. And it could not be, should not be, written by a member of the Unexposed. But, obviously, I’m a little biased on the matter. </p>
<p>Be that as it may,  I’m not sure what Mr. Kurtagic’s point is. That we become blood thirsty psychopaths incapable of any real human feeling long enough to kill our enemy?<br />
I won&#8217;t deny for a second that that is one thought that does have its charms.<br />
But, if we succeed then we truly will have achieved a Phyrric victory because we will have eliminated the defining characteristic of civilized man, which, as far as I’m concerned, is the circumnavigation of the use of force. </p>
<p>Or, perhaps the point is the “judicial” use of force applied in a timely manner in order to protect civilization.  </p>
<p>Now who could argue with that?</p>
<p>Personally, I’m all for it. But that truly is a complex matter in desperate need of more careful analysis, not to mention concrete solutions, that go beyond mere moralizing we find in his piece.  </p>
<p>I have a true story, pertinent to these considerations, that may be well worth telling at this point. </p>
<p>While working in Manhattan at a Hotel on the night of the Puerto Rican Day Parade (during the mid-90&#8242;s) after delivering a message to a guest I rode the elevator to the Lobby floor and when it opened up I saw a big Puerto Rican guy lumbering over a lady in a chair that I assumed was his girlfriend, since it looked like he was trying to kiss her.<br />
It was my girlfriend, who had stopped by to drop off my apartment keys.<br />
I simply asked him to follow me out of the door and on to the street.  While we were walking out I could smell the reprocessed booze on his breath and he turned to me and started taunting me with references to my girlfriend and my mother. I remember two things very clearly at that moment.  One, having an out of body experience as a result of wanting to kill the guy, and two, thinking, “if he’s capable of behaving like that in a public place and with someone else’s woman, who knows what else he’s capable of?   ie, Does he have a gun? A knife?  If he carries one or the other, or both, then he probably knows how to use it, or is willing to use it. Are people going to get hurt?”  But above all, and this was the result of years of experience, from childhood to young adulthood to adulthood, my thought was, &#8220;No matter what I do, this could easily backfire against me, no matter how right I am, or how hard I fight.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I’ve been in this position before.</p>
<p>In any event, I called security, which at this moment consisted of a Jamacain man who was a black belt that I had done a little training with at that time.  He and the shift manager came outside and we tried to get this guy to go while he continued to taunt me as if I had done something wrong by asking him to leave the woman, my girlfriend, alone, and to leave the premises, which of course was what any employee, and boyfriend, would be expected to do.</p>
<p>He left off a doozy of a barrage of insults and the shift manager and security guard both stepped back &#8212; a non-verbal gesture that clearly said, &#8220;Let him have it.&#8221;<br />
So I did.  I hit him as hard as I could and he went down.  I almost knocked him out, but not quite.  After a few seconds he was shaking his head and up on his feet (like me, he&#8217;d been hit many times, you could just tell.  But unlike me, he was a remorseless psychopath. And here lies the difference.  It’s a big difference -– and one we would do well to remind ourselves, since it is clearly what we are up against.  As far as I can tell, civilized people, for the most part, receive a certain training in manners and decorum that pushes out psychopathic behavior, while guys like him grow up steeped in it, so that they are practically psychopath addicts.  Ya know, like the guys who control all of the major institutions today, from information media, to finance, to government). </p>
<p>At that point the &#8220;fight&#8221; was broken up and the Police arrived.  When we were separated I went to check on my girlfriend who was strangely silent with me.  </p>
<p>When I asked her what was wrong she told me flat out &#8212; &#8220;I&#8217;m not impressed that you hit someone for me.&#8221;</p>
<p>When the Police got there they turned out to be Puerto Ricans, both of them.<br />
And their idea of &#8220;resolving&#8221; the situation was to actually ask me to give the guy I had just hit my home address so that we could meet and sort it out.  At that moment I had another out of body experience, one I knew better than to act on.</p>
<p>I am sure that, with variations, this kind of thing has been, and continues to be, repeated throughout the Western world today, to the Exposed. Though this was one of the worst experiences I had it was one of many –- many –- such experiences for me. </p>
<p>Later, the Jamaican pulled me aside and gave me a luke-warm congratulations on hitting the guy but then immediately followed by saying &#8220;You didn&#8217;t hit him hard enough.  After you got him on the ground you should have taken him by the collar and dragged him off the property where you could finish him.&#8221;  Meaning, beat him until he can&#8217;t get up.<br />
At least until my shift was over I guess.  He assured me that that was the ONLY thing a guy like that would respect. And, because I didn’t do it, I should expect another visit.<br />
I told him I didn&#8217;t want that guys respect and the Jamaican responded by changing his tone of voice to one of obvious racial resentment and told me &#8220;maybe he doesn&#8217;t want yours.&#8221;</p>
<p>In short, the Black security guard, the Puerto Rican Police and, my White girlfriend all came down against Me!  Oh, as did, later, the Hotels Jewish GM. The only good news to come out of it was that I wasn’t fired. But, and for me, more importantly, and as if things couldn’t get worse, there was this.</p>
<p>The next day, understandably shook up, I called my mother, who lived two hours away, to tell her what happened.  </p>
<p>She was a die-hard Northeastern, Irish Catholic Kennedy Liberal.  Anything that did not fit into her template was rejected, and that included her son’s experiences with hostile non-Whites. In one sense, Especially her son’s horror stories, since they had the tendency to rip her worldview apart and blow it to smithereens.  Obviously, I HAD to be guilty of Something! Nobody could be THAT unlucky.</p>
<p>I mention this because I know for a fact that I am hardly the only White man who grew up in the second half of the 20th century, or is growing up in the 21st, who was exposed and getting it from every possible angle, literally.  All you have to do is refuse to give in, and offer even the slightest bit of resistance &#8212; and I had the tendency to offer a lot, as far as they were concerned. </p>
<p>As far as I&#8217;m concerned, all of them were wrong then and they are wrong now.  </p>
<p>But they all had a group to go to. </p>
<p>I didn’t.  So, it was Reality versus Consensus Reality.</p>
<p>For me it was a nightmare. It took me five years after that to get out, and I did.  Barring a miracle I am never going back. What would I go back to, since the situation has only gotten worse?  Given the fact that I got out, and my mother’s apology for a lifetime devoted to sentimentality and sanctimoniousness, instead of to her son, I would consider myself very lucky indeed, since many Exposed Whites never get out, and never get an apology, from anyone, ever.  </p>
<p>Those people are the real Secret Heroes.  Their suffering fills me with rage, since I know it so well. </p>
<p>But their ability to endure is inspiring. Why not focus on that?  It would be worth it.  </p>
<p>Especially since there are millions of us!</p>
<p>In any event, there is a difference between courageous and foolhardy. Just what are the dangerously exposed among us supposed to do?  I did the best I could in those circumstances, and I think I did pretty well, considering the fact that, for all intents and purposes, I was alone. Or, might as well have been.</p>
<p>And now we get to the other problem that the exposed face.  It is not just a Jewish led coalition of hostile non-Whites.</p>
<p>It is other Whites as well.  And not liberals, but, those Unexposed, racially conscious Whites, who are manifestly indifferent to us.  They have an obvious lack of concern for Exposed Whites and a corresponding, and cowardly, tendency to censor criticism just as the Jews that many complain about do. How inspiring do you think that is?  </p>
<p>I think what is inspiring is rallying around an organizing principle, not yet more moralizing.  I think what sets Whites apart from non-whites and Jews is the notion of the Free Spirit, in the Hegelian sense. </p>
<p>Or, as Nietzsche put it, the Sovereign Individual, which he rightly called the crowing achievement of Mankind. </p>
<p>That would be something worth fighting for, since a group is only as strong as its individual members. </p>
<p>But that would require us learning how to create, preserve and protect such an individual. An individual who is prepared to stand on his own, and also join others of his own race confident in the knowledge that those others will not fail him at the critical moment. Few will argue that that critical moment is here.  </p>
<p>And the individuals?</p>
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		<title>By: Logicar Omega</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logicar Omega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 10:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Who cares about the virtues of Western culture, if it’s just to be handed on to the coming mudmen of their ex-nation? Might as well live for today, as do slaves and the underclasses everywhere!&quot;

You are correct sir!

Why work hard when you are just going to be passed over due to Affirmative Action!?!?!

Heck I didn&#039;t even bother to take the SATs in High School since I knew it would do me little good and I had zero chance of actually reaching full potential in the current Zionist Occupied Government (clearly I could have made it, I scored in the top percentile in English in my State on the State mandated tests.)

A quote from one of my favorite movies sums up the general attitude you speak of:

&quot;You see, there&#039;s nothing to do anymore. Everything decents been done. All the great themes have been used up. Turned into theme parks. So I don&#039;t really find it cheerful to be living in totally exhausted decade where there is nothing to look forward to and no one to look up to. &quot; -- Mark Hunter (Pump Up the Volume)

To bring it back to this movie though, we are at some point going to have to turn it around like the main character in &#039;Straw Dogs&#039;, I&#039;m 32 and hope I shall be alive to see it!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Who cares about the virtues of Western culture, if it’s just to be handed on to the coming mudmen of their ex-nation? Might as well live for today, as do slaves and the underclasses everywhere!&#8221;</p>
<p>You are correct sir!</p>
<p>Why work hard when you are just going to be passed over due to Affirmative Action!?!?!</p>
<p>Heck I didn&#8217;t even bother to take the SATs in High School since I knew it would do me little good and I had zero chance of actually reaching full potential in the current Zionist Occupied Government (clearly I could have made it, I scored in the top percentile in English in my State on the State mandated tests.)</p>
<p>A quote from one of my favorite movies sums up the general attitude you speak of:</p>
<p>&#8220;You see, there&#8217;s nothing to do anymore. Everything decents been done. All the great themes have been used up. Turned into theme parks. So I don&#8217;t really find it cheerful to be living in totally exhausted decade where there is nothing to look forward to and no one to look up to. &#8221; &#8212; Mark Hunter (Pump Up the Volume)</p>
<p>To bring it back to this movie though, we are at some point going to have to turn it around like the main character in &#8216;Straw Dogs&#8217;, I&#8217;m 32 and hope I shall be alive to see it!!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Nov 2009 05:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you and he start from the premise that Westerners are less ethnocentric, where I think that&#039;s the point to be proven.  

I think whites have an instinctive abhorrence of miscegenation, and especially with blacks.   And I don&#039;t think the reverse is the case or to nearly the degree.  MacDonald&#039;s ambling historical narrative itself speaks of the horror of the &quot;illegitimate&quot; birth, and I think any white mating with a black would have been immediately perceived as committing some sort of abomination in the Europe MacDonald writes about.  The fact that the wealthy and powerful didn&#039;t pile up harems was probably less due to their being simply uninterested than with the fact that white people have never so much viewed women as a commodity (perhaps until &quot;the sexual revolution&quot;).

The tradition is that North America became white because the English came here to settle as colonists, not to just loot some gold and rape the local women for sex (as with irresponsible drunken sailers), and hence the English brought women with them.  Who could have imagined just deciding they&#039;d mate with some local savage(s) and call that a wife and the progeny one&#039;s children?  

I think the white racial instinct is simply underestimated by this sort of assessment.  It misdiagnoses the causes of our recent demise.  Unleash whites from the legal, economic and social bonds that have been instituted since &quot;integration&quot; in the 60s, and I don&#039;t think we would look to have so freely consented to all this.  That impression has more to do with the way the media and schools have tried to project miscegenation, integration, anti-racism, etc. as the new norm.  White people know in their hearts that this is a lie, even where they have allowed themselves, demoralized, to become self-deluded on it.  In fact, I think it&#039;s an unconscious expression of their awareness of this that accounts for much, maybe most, of the general demoralization one sees especially among young white men, who would rather become fobs and masters of silly video games than to girth themselves to acquire the more traditional manly virtues.  Who cares about the virtues of Western culture, if it&#039;s just to be handed on to the coming mudmen of their ex-nation?  Might as well live for today, as do slaves and the underclasses everywhere! 

The very fact that white is recessive suggests a built-in reminder, an inducement of white fathers to not even recognize children of a non-white mother, even she even recognizes them herself.  It seems tome that whites may be the most preeminently racialist people on the planet.  Those black radicals who say &quot;ALL white people are racist,&quot; may be perceiving something there, something stupid white people want to deny as an insult, though I doubt at a deeper level that they&#039;re actually insulted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you and he start from the premise that Westerners are less ethnocentric, where I think that&#8217;s the point to be proven.  </p>
<p>I think whites have an instinctive abhorrence of miscegenation, and especially with blacks.   And I don&#8217;t think the reverse is the case or to nearly the degree.  MacDonald&#8217;s ambling historical narrative itself speaks of the horror of the &#8220;illegitimate&#8221; birth, and I think any white mating with a black would have been immediately perceived as committing some sort of abomination in the Europe MacDonald writes about.  The fact that the wealthy and powerful didn&#8217;t pile up harems was probably less due to their being simply uninterested than with the fact that white people have never so much viewed women as a commodity (perhaps until &#8220;the sexual revolution&#8221;).</p>
<p>The tradition is that North America became white because the English came here to settle as colonists, not to just loot some gold and rape the local women for sex (as with irresponsible drunken sailers), and hence the English brought women with them.  Who could have imagined just deciding they&#8217;d mate with some local savage(s) and call that a wife and the progeny one&#8217;s children?  </p>
<p>I think the white racial instinct is simply underestimated by this sort of assessment.  It misdiagnoses the causes of our recent demise.  Unleash whites from the legal, economic and social bonds that have been instituted since &#8220;integration&#8221; in the 60s, and I don&#8217;t think we would look to have so freely consented to all this.  That impression has more to do with the way the media and schools have tried to project miscegenation, integration, anti-racism, etc. as the new norm.  White people know in their hearts that this is a lie, even where they have allowed themselves, demoralized, to become self-deluded on it.  In fact, I think it&#8217;s an unconscious expression of their awareness of this that accounts for much, maybe most, of the general demoralization one sees especially among young white men, who would rather become fobs and masters of silly video games than to girth themselves to acquire the more traditional manly virtues.  Who cares about the virtues of Western culture, if it&#8217;s just to be handed on to the coming mudmen of their ex-nation?  Might as well live for today, as do slaves and the underclasses everywhere! </p>
<p>The very fact that white is recessive suggests a built-in reminder, an inducement of white fathers to not even recognize children of a non-white mother, even she even recognizes them herself.  It seems tome that whites may be the most preeminently racialist people on the planet.  Those black radicals who say &#8220;ALL white people are racist,&#8221; may be perceiving something there, something stupid white people want to deny as an insult, though I doubt at a deeper level that they&#8217;re actually insulted.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Kurtagic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Kurtagic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 13:25:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s preposterous to think that the weakness of whites in defending our race is due to the genetic adaptation to our ancient environments.&quot;

I am not the only one who thinks that low ethnocentrism among European-descended populations is probably an evolved trait. See the following paper by Kevin MacDonald, published in The Occidental Quarterly, Vol. 2(2), Summer 2002: 9-38:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/West-TOQ.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;What Makes Western Culture Unique&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s preposterous to think that the weakness of whites in defending our race is due to the genetic adaptation to our ancient environments.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am not the only one who thinks that low ethnocentrism among European-descended populations is probably an evolved trait. See the following paper by Kevin MacDonald, published in The Occidental Quarterly, Vol. 2(2), Summer 2002: 9-38:</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/West-TOQ.htm" rel="nofollow">What Makes Western Culture Unique</a></p>
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		<title>By: Logicar Omega</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logicar Omega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; The internet has allowed many people to find out that they really are not alone in feeling themselves racially assaulted, though who knows how well the brainwashing has worked on the young already?&quot;

Ah but the young may LATER get on the &#039;net and learn about Racialism!

There are still something like 200 million Whites here in North America, we are in a steep decline, but not anywhere near being knocked out yet.

We still have a chance, like the character in this film, to redirect our actions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; The internet has allowed many people to find out that they really are not alone in feeling themselves racially assaulted, though who knows how well the brainwashing has worked on the young already?&#8221;</p>
<p>Ah but the young may LATER get on the &#8216;net and learn about Racialism!</p>
<p>There are still something like 200 million Whites here in North America, we are in a steep decline, but not anywhere near being knocked out yet.</p>
<p>We still have a chance, like the character in this film, to redirect our actions!</p>
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		<title>By: Reader</title>
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		<dc:creator>Reader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 06:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s preposterous to think that the weakness of whites in defending our race is due to the genetic adaptation to our ancient environments.   

You don&#039;t have to go back very far to remember the violence with which &quot;racism&quot; on the part of whites was suppressed.  If people weren&#039;t directly threatened by police (or the Air Borne troops Eisenhower sent to Little Rock and similar incidents), they were threatened losing jobs, lawsuits, etc.  And there was much inducement for traitors to side with the &quot;anti-racist&quot; factions, etc.  And even now it is primarily by violence that whites are repressed.  Racial identity is so profoundly a part of our people that the widespread miscegenation of the sort we see today would have been utterly unimaginable to whites just 50 years ago.  We all know this, right?

I remember when the communist regime of Ceauşescu went down in Romania in 1989, and people told how they had hated the government and had only shared this with a very few friends, who might meet and talk about it, but thought they were the only ones who thought this way.  But then when the government and its goons fell, there was an explosion of people coming out, to the point the previously isolated were shocked to find that nearly everyone felt and had felt as they did about it.  

Since following that story at the time, that&#039;s how I have imagined we would find ourselves if we suddenly all found that it was okay to be &quot;politically incorrect,&quot; or even &quot;racist.&quot;  Such a storm of white solidarity would break out, we&#039;d probably frighten ourselves with it, were we not so overjoyed at such a freedom to be what we deeply and instinctively already are.  

Take the insidious Jewish subversion of white societies out as a factor, and this whole stinking nightmare wouldn&#039;t exist.  Remove the violent repression even now, and it wouldn&#039;t exist for very long at all.  The internet has allowed many people to find out that they really are not alone in feeling themselves racially assaulted, though who knows how well the brainwashing has worked on the young already?  Turn back the clock 30-40 years and you&#039;ll find people who never would have consented, probably would have fought to death against, what you see out there now and which the media assure us is &quot;normal.&quot;  That includes many who are alive and still in something of their prime today. 

It&#039;s not at all in our genes to permit this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s preposterous to think that the weakness of whites in defending our race is due to the genetic adaptation to our ancient environments.   </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t have to go back very far to remember the violence with which &#8220;racism&#8221; on the part of whites was suppressed.  If people weren&#8217;t directly threatened by police (or the Air Borne troops Eisenhower sent to Little Rock and similar incidents), they were threatened losing jobs, lawsuits, etc.  And there was much inducement for traitors to side with the &#8220;anti-racist&#8221; factions, etc.  And even now it is primarily by violence that whites are repressed.  Racial identity is so profoundly a part of our people that the widespread miscegenation of the sort we see today would have been utterly unimaginable to whites just 50 years ago.  We all know this, right?</p>
<p>I remember when the communist regime of Ceauşescu went down in Romania in 1989, and people told how they had hated the government and had only shared this with a very few friends, who might meet and talk about it, but thought they were the only ones who thought this way.  But then when the government and its goons fell, there was an explosion of people coming out, to the point the previously isolated were shocked to find that nearly everyone felt and had felt as they did about it.  </p>
<p>Since following that story at the time, that&#8217;s how I have imagined we would find ourselves if we suddenly all found that it was okay to be &#8220;politically incorrect,&#8221; or even &#8220;racist.&#8221;  Such a storm of white solidarity would break out, we&#8217;d probably frighten ourselves with it, were we not so overjoyed at such a freedom to be what we deeply and instinctively already are.  </p>
<p>Take the insidious Jewish subversion of white societies out as a factor, and this whole stinking nightmare wouldn&#8217;t exist.  Remove the violent repression even now, and it wouldn&#8217;t exist for very long at all.  The internet has allowed many people to find out that they really are not alone in feeling themselves racially assaulted, though who knows how well the brainwashing has worked on the young already?  Turn back the clock 30-40 years and you&#8217;ll find people who never would have consented, probably would have fought to death against, what you see out there now and which the media assure us is &#8220;normal.&#8221;  That includes many who are alive and still in something of their prime today. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not at all in our genes to permit this.</p>
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		<title>By: MOB</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this to a mainstream list (not religious) along with this:  
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/10/28/catholic-league-blasts-larry-david-curb-episode-urinates-jesus/

There are obviously many other associations that can and should be made, but since these items appeared on the same day, I made use of them.

There&#039;s much that I could say about the points Alex makes in Straw Dogs; my own realization that we suffer increasingly painful consequences--and enjoy no reward-- if we fail to respond to power challenges  took place within my own family, where  processes that prevail at all levels of  social organization can sometimes be seen most clearly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this to a mainstream list (not religious) along with this:<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/10/28/catholic-league-blasts-larry-david-curb-episode-urinates-jesus/" rel="nofollow">http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2009/10/28/catholic-league-blasts-larry-david-curb-episode-urinates-jesus/</a></p>
<p>There are obviously many other associations that can and should be made, but since these items appeared on the same day, I made use of them.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s much that I could say about the points Alex makes in Straw Dogs; my own realization that we suffer increasingly painful consequences&#8211;and enjoy no reward&#8211; if we fail to respond to power challenges  took place within my own family, where  processes that prevail at all levels of  social organization can sometimes be seen most clearly.</p>
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		<title>By: Mikael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A thoroughly enjoyable analysis. Thank you for sharing your insight.</description>
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		<title>By: Razvan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 13:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This pretty much resembles the Hemingway&#039;s &quot;Short happy life of Francis Macomber&quot; enough distorted to match certain tastes and sensibilities. It&#039;s significance is timeless and the conflict ever escalating. What to do when no one ever taught you how to defend yourself and your family, when it is almost forbidden to defend yourself because &quot;we don&#039;t make justice by our self, we are not vigilantes&quot;. 

What was David doing in Cornwall anyway? Why every town or village should accept the mathematician David? Only because David expects that? Immanuel Kant never traveled more than 20 miles around Königsberg. Why should David do otherwise? Just because David has a property there? Because he has the money? 

Thousands of years the property and the value of property were given by your own tribe. Because your property can not be defended from the invaders by yourself. 

Now David takes the girl and the property and everybody should respect it and recognize it. The so called &quot;individual rights&quot; are not a private matter as long as you are not able to defend them (value them). They are a matter of collectivity because there resides the force that gives them values. And this is the greatest problem of the individualists.

Another classic theme subverted  Hollywood style in order to match a certain agenda. David is troubling the community, but we have to be sympathetic with him instead with the tribe. What if it wouldn&#039;t be any &quot;rape&quot; but an old flame revived?

Treason to your tribe is really treason to yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This pretty much resembles the Hemingway&#8217;s &#8220;Short happy life of Francis Macomber&#8221; enough distorted to match certain tastes and sensibilities. It&#8217;s significance is timeless and the conflict ever escalating. What to do when no one ever taught you how to defend yourself and your family, when it is almost forbidden to defend yourself because &#8220;we don&#8217;t make justice by our self, we are not vigilantes&#8221;. </p>
<p>What was David doing in Cornwall anyway? Why every town or village should accept the mathematician David? Only because David expects that? Immanuel Kant never traveled more than 20 miles around Königsberg. Why should David do otherwise? Just because David has a property there? Because he has the money? </p>
<p>Thousands of years the property and the value of property were given by your own tribe. Because your property can not be defended from the invaders by yourself. </p>
<p>Now David takes the girl and the property and everybody should respect it and recognize it. The so called &#8220;individual rights&#8221; are not a private matter as long as you are not able to defend them (value them). They are a matter of collectivity because there resides the force that gives them values. And this is the greatest problem of the individualists.</p>
<p>Another classic theme subverted  Hollywood style in order to match a certain agenda. David is troubling the community, but we have to be sympathetic with him instead with the tribe. What if it wouldn&#8217;t be any &#8220;rape&#8221; but an old flame revived?</p>
<p>Treason to your tribe is really treason to yourself.</p>
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