<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Can America Be Saved?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.toqonline.com/2009/11/can-america-be-saved/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/can-america-be-saved/</link>
	<description>Western Perspectives on Man, Culture, and Politics</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:11:50 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: bestonlinedatingsites.org</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/can-america-be-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-13396</link>
		<dc:creator>bestonlinedatingsites.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 05:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.toqonline.com/?p=6114#comment-13396</guid>
		<description>This is your best topic yet!

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.bestonlinedatingsites.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.bestonlinedatingsites.org&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is your best topic yet!</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.bestonlinedatingsites.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.bestonlinedatingsites.org</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ulf Larsen</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/can-america-be-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-4270</link>
		<dc:creator>Ulf Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 18:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.toqonline.com/?p=6114#comment-4270</guid>
		<description>I don´t really understand Mr. Kemp&#039;s criticism.

Two examples:

Mr. Kemp:
&quot;In retrospect–and I did not realise this until much later–the malign influence of the “do-nothing” mentality created by William Pierce and the National Alliance type of organization has possibly been the single most damaging influence in pro-white politics in American history.
[...]
The National Alliance and its assorted spin-offs have been going for more than thirty years. What do they have to show for it? What political power do they have? Nothing. Zip. Nada.&quot;

Well, I have never heard or read anything by Dr. Pierce that suggests we do &quot;nothing&quot;. I believe that Dr. Pierce contributed, perhaps more than anyone else in the English speaking world before the arrival of TOQ, to spreading information valuable to our survival. Does Mr. Kemp not understand that information and &quot;cultural hegemony&quot; is the foundation for all kinds of political struggle, democratic or other? Does Mr. Kemp also believe that journals such as TOQ are useless because they have no immediate impact on democratic elections?

One could equally well ask what results democrats have to show. The situation in all White countries is worse than ever, despite their efforts.

&quot;Those who think they are “contributing to the cause” by huddling in a hotel room with a money-sucking, time-wasting crank like David Irving discussing what Herman Goring said on August 29, 1942, are equally delusional.&quot;

As far as I know David Irving is a historian and not a political soldier, and a historian&#039;s task is to discover historical facts. Does it not benefit our cause that scientists question the historical dogmas that are the founding myths of the politically correct discourse? In a quest fo exactitude, often emphasized by Professor Faurisson, you have to discuss details such as dates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don´t really understand Mr. Kemp&#8217;s criticism.</p>
<p>Two examples:</p>
<p>Mr. Kemp:<br />
&#8220;In retrospect–and I did not realise this until much later–the malign influence of the “do-nothing” mentality created by William Pierce and the National Alliance type of organization has possibly been the single most damaging influence in pro-white politics in American history.<br />
[...]<br />
The National Alliance and its assorted spin-offs have been going for more than thirty years. What do they have to show for it? What political power do they have? Nothing. Zip. Nada.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I have never heard or read anything by Dr. Pierce that suggests we do &#8220;nothing&#8221;. I believe that Dr. Pierce contributed, perhaps more than anyone else in the English speaking world before the arrival of TOQ, to spreading information valuable to our survival. Does Mr. Kemp not understand that information and &#8220;cultural hegemony&#8221; is the foundation for all kinds of political struggle, democratic or other? Does Mr. Kemp also believe that journals such as TOQ are useless because they have no immediate impact on democratic elections?</p>
<p>One could equally well ask what results democrats have to show. The situation in all White countries is worse than ever, despite their efforts.</p>
<p>&#8220;Those who think they are “contributing to the cause” by huddling in a hotel room with a money-sucking, time-wasting crank like David Irving discussing what Herman Goring said on August 29, 1942, are equally delusional.&#8221;</p>
<p>As far as I know David Irving is a historian and not a political soldier, and a historian&#8217;s task is to discover historical facts. Does it not benefit our cause that scientists question the historical dogmas that are the founding myths of the politically correct discourse? In a quest fo exactitude, often emphasized by Professor Faurisson, you have to discuss details such as dates.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ideas</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/can-america-be-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-4262</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.toqonline.com/?p=6114#comment-4262</guid>
		<description>Bryan, the best place to start a White homeland in North America would be in the American South, not in the Pacific Northwest; this is due to the fact that traditional racial attitudes are the strongest in the South while the PacNW is largely full of rabid anti-racist leftists, aging hippies, Asian-fetishists, etc.

The South also has a much longer growing season than anywhere else in the USA and more arable/pasture land, plus a lot of good ports for trade too.  There is also a strong military tradition still extant in the South.  The South is the last bastion of traditional American Anglo-Saxondom in the entire USA.

The best thing pro-White activists in the PacNW can do now is work to turn back the tide of Asian immigrants who are moving there, intermarrying with the idiot aracial Whites, and taking over the economy in many areas.  The PacNW is beautiful and prosperous, and I hope it stays that way, and I want to keep the PacNW a White area and repulse the encroaching Asianization of the region.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan, the best place to start a White homeland in North America would be in the American South, not in the Pacific Northwest; this is due to the fact that traditional racial attitudes are the strongest in the South while the PacNW is largely full of rabid anti-racist leftists, aging hippies, Asian-fetishists, etc.</p>
<p>The South also has a much longer growing season than anywhere else in the USA and more arable/pasture land, plus a lot of good ports for trade too.  There is also a strong military tradition still extant in the South.  The South is the last bastion of traditional American Anglo-Saxondom in the entire USA.</p>
<p>The best thing pro-White activists in the PacNW can do now is work to turn back the tide of Asian immigrants who are moving there, intermarrying with the idiot aracial Whites, and taking over the economy in many areas.  The PacNW is beautiful and prosperous, and I hope it stays that way, and I want to keep the PacNW a White area and repulse the encroaching Asianization of the region.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ideas</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/can-america-be-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-4261</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.toqonline.com/?p=6114#comment-4261</guid>
		<description>wodinaz:&quot;The solution to this is not to build parties, but rather build a counter culture, educate, build a movement, organize and then build a party.&quot;

I agree.  I think race conscious White Americans ought to start dropping out of mainstream Judeo-American society and start building communally sufficient Mormon or Amish type enclaves all over the USA, though without the wholesale rejection of technology and adoption of weird religious ideas and so on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wodinaz:&#8221;The solution to this is not to build parties, but rather build a counter culture, educate, build a movement, organize and then build a party.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree.  I think race conscious White Americans ought to start dropping out of mainstream Judeo-American society and start building communally sufficient Mormon or Amish type enclaves all over the USA, though without the wholesale rejection of technology and adoption of weird religious ideas and so on.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: wodinaz</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/can-america-be-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-4237</link>
		<dc:creator>wodinaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 22:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.toqonline.com/?p=6114#comment-4237</guid>
		<description>Addition: Which is exactly what TOO/TOQ is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addition: Which is exactly what TOO/TOQ is doing.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: a Finn</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/can-america-be-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-4236</link>
		<dc:creator>a Finn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 20:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.toqonline.com/?p=6114#comment-4236</guid>
		<description>Wallace: &quot;You can’t be “pro-White” and “respectable” in the eyes of our anti-racist elite.&quot;

- True, but we can be in different degrees respectable among White public when we can circumvent or short-circuit the misinformation, propaganda and manipulation of the &quot;elites&quot;.

&quot;The philo-Semites resent having to make that choice and scapegoat the racialist fringe (the Neo-Nazis, Klan, Christian Identity, skinheads) for their loss of status.&quot;

- Why the choice is so extreme; you can only be radically against the Jews or philo-Semite. Within this framework I am philo-Semite and I have been named to be such.

Could the logic in this matter go like this?:

1.  The most of our attention goes to pro-Europeans&#039; matters and less to the outsiders. Now Jews as a topic interferes in almost everything discussed and often prevents other considerations, views or alternatives. The world really is much more complex than the Jews, whether good or bad things are considered.

2. Much time is spent convincing people that the Jews have a lot power and then persuading the Jews that you are so absolutely against them that they can&#039;t do (almost) anything right. Any Jewish self interest is an indication of incurable anti-Whiteness and can&#039;t be otherwise. This favors political climate where every Jew have to use every ounce of his power to oppose you.

 Politics is as much as prevention of creation of unnecessary obstacles than empowerment of Europeans. Could there instead be some assesment of scale of anti-Whiteness - pro-Whiteness among Jews and then conforming your political opposition and political neutrality/ cooperation to that? And the more there is traditional conservative Jews hitting liberal Jews on the head with club of words, the better.

3. Contra(?)-Semites often paint a picture of abject surrender if there is a whiff of pro-Semitism or acknowledgement of something good in the Jews. The White organizations will be flooded by the Jews and taken over by them, policies subverted, interests destroyed, genes irreparably mixed, etcetera. Nothing own remains.

Whites have the natural and inborn right to their own way, own organizations, own genes, etc. You can and you should keep yourself separate, but it requires genuine communities that withstand all conditions and all outside/inside influences. Almost all outside influences turn to mortal threats if there is only an imaginary community based on unstable and undefined &quot;consensus&quot;, upheld by talk in internet sites.

4. If there is long list what to oppose: excessive concentration of power in any form (money, state, managerial, international, scientific, etc.); separation of interests of elite and their people, excessive taxation; political correctness/ anti-Whiteness; international states, manipulative power techniques; outsourcing; immigration; degeneration of culture/ relativism of values; destructive consumerism and status competition (mostly based on consuming); disintegration of marriage institution/ childlesness/ abortion on demand; etcetera, I am sure all anti-Whites get caught in the net, whether Jewish or not. Together with #3 you are in good position. These lists can be equally translated to pro-lists as necessary.

These points doesn&#039;t prevent reasonable discussion of Jewish matters or reasonable criticism of the Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wallace: &#8220;You can’t be “pro-White” and “respectable” in the eyes of our anti-racist elite.&#8221;</p>
<p>- True, but we can be in different degrees respectable among White public when we can circumvent or short-circuit the misinformation, propaganda and manipulation of the &#8220;elites&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;The philo-Semites resent having to make that choice and scapegoat the racialist fringe (the Neo-Nazis, Klan, Christian Identity, skinheads) for their loss of status.&#8221;</p>
<p>- Why the choice is so extreme; you can only be radically against the Jews or philo-Semite. Within this framework I am philo-Semite and I have been named to be such.</p>
<p>Could the logic in this matter go like this?:</p>
<p>1.  The most of our attention goes to pro-Europeans&#8217; matters and less to the outsiders. Now Jews as a topic interferes in almost everything discussed and often prevents other considerations, views or alternatives. The world really is much more complex than the Jews, whether good or bad things are considered.</p>
<p>2. Much time is spent convincing people that the Jews have a lot power and then persuading the Jews that you are so absolutely against them that they can&#8217;t do (almost) anything right. Any Jewish self interest is an indication of incurable anti-Whiteness and can&#8217;t be otherwise. This favors political climate where every Jew have to use every ounce of his power to oppose you.</p>
<p> Politics is as much as prevention of creation of unnecessary obstacles than empowerment of Europeans. Could there instead be some assesment of scale of anti-Whiteness &#8211; pro-Whiteness among Jews and then conforming your political opposition and political neutrality/ cooperation to that? And the more there is traditional conservative Jews hitting liberal Jews on the head with club of words, the better.</p>
<p>3. Contra(?)-Semites often paint a picture of abject surrender if there is a whiff of pro-Semitism or acknowledgement of something good in the Jews. The White organizations will be flooded by the Jews and taken over by them, policies subverted, interests destroyed, genes irreparably mixed, etcetera. Nothing own remains.</p>
<p>Whites have the natural and inborn right to their own way, own organizations, own genes, etc. You can and you should keep yourself separate, but it requires genuine communities that withstand all conditions and all outside/inside influences. Almost all outside influences turn to mortal threats if there is only an imaginary community based on unstable and undefined &#8220;consensus&#8221;, upheld by talk in internet sites.</p>
<p>4. If there is long list what to oppose: excessive concentration of power in any form (money, state, managerial, international, scientific, etc.); separation of interests of elite and their people, excessive taxation; political correctness/ anti-Whiteness; international states, manipulative power techniques; outsourcing; immigration; degeneration of culture/ relativism of values; destructive consumerism and status competition (mostly based on consuming); disintegration of marriage institution/ childlesness/ abortion on demand; etcetera, I am sure all anti-Whites get caught in the net, whether Jewish or not. Together with #3 you are in good position. These lists can be equally translated to pro-lists as necessary.</p>
<p>These points doesn&#8217;t prevent reasonable discussion of Jewish matters or reasonable criticism of the Jews.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: wodinaz</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/can-america-be-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-4235</link>
		<dc:creator>wodinaz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.toqonline.com/?p=6114#comment-4235</guid>
		<description>I fully agree with Hunter; this debate about the loonies is silly. If you&#039;re interested in preserving the European culture and peoples in America, the mother continent or elsewhere you will be ostracized. And with poverty, social marginalization comes the loonies. Not the other way around. Indeed, this is a sociological constant. The solution to this is not to build parties, but rather build a counter culture, educate, build a movement, organize and &lt;em&gt;then&lt;/em&gt; build a party. As relayed to us through the stories of, for instance, Sir Wallace of Scotland, Homeros etc. 

A party without the proper founding and identity in which the people probably have, to speak post modernism, internalized the values of the ruling elite, to a large part unconscious of  their programming, and are to some extent liberal minded believing that &quot;if you just speak the truth about multiculturalism in a polite way, then people will listen&quot; is doomed to failure. 

People in general don&#039;t listen, have no energy to read complicated texts (especially not after the politically correct criminals have demolished the education system throughout the West) , the current elite is not interested in truth, logic, lawfulness and correctness; there is no way of going from &quot;outer&quot; to &quot;inner.&quot; The reaction must go from &quot;inner,&quot; i.e., build a counter culture, to &quot;outer,&quot; i.e., assimilate other people of European descent when the pioneers have done all preparatory work. Stress on assimilation for there is in no way enough resources to educate the people who &quot;want in&quot; but have no energy to study.

In short: First educate an elite, later assimilate people, and then go for the reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree with Hunter; this debate about the loonies is silly. If you&#8217;re interested in preserving the European culture and peoples in America, the mother continent or elsewhere you will be ostracized. And with poverty, social marginalization comes the loonies. Not the other way around. Indeed, this is a sociological constant. The solution to this is not to build parties, but rather build a counter culture, educate, build a movement, organize and <em>then</em> build a party. As relayed to us through the stories of, for instance, Sir Wallace of Scotland, Homeros etc. </p>
<p>A party without the proper founding and identity in which the people probably have, to speak post modernism, internalized the values of the ruling elite, to a large part unconscious of  their programming, and are to some extent liberal minded believing that &#8220;if you just speak the truth about multiculturalism in a polite way, then people will listen&#8221; is doomed to failure. </p>
<p>People in general don&#8217;t listen, have no energy to read complicated texts (especially not after the politically correct criminals have demolished the education system throughout the West) , the current elite is not interested in truth, logic, lawfulness and correctness; there is no way of going from &#8220;outer&#8221; to &#8220;inner.&#8221; The reaction must go from &#8220;inner,&#8221; i.e., build a counter culture, to &#8220;outer,&#8221; i.e., assimilate other people of European descent when the pioneers have done all preparatory work. Stress on assimilation for there is in no way enough resources to educate the people who &#8220;want in&#8221; but have no energy to study.</p>
<p>In short: First educate an elite, later assimilate people, and then go for the reaction.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: bryan</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/can-america-be-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-4231</link>
		<dc:creator>bryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.toqonline.com/?p=6114#comment-4231</guid>
		<description>The one thing that does work, just ask the mormons or the mexicans, is MIGRATION...LETS GO!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one thing that does work, just ask the mormons or the mexicans, is MIGRATION&#8230;LETS GO!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dedalus</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/can-america-be-saved/comment-page-1/#comment-4230</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedalus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 05:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.toqonline.com/?p=6114#comment-4230</guid>
		<description>One thing seems clear.  We can&#039;t be all Body (Political) or all Head (Intellectual).
But we certainly need both.  
Another thing that seems clear to me, and happily, not just me, is that the Right and the Left, Liberal Conservative, Democrat and Republican, are as effective Politically as the Universities are Intellectually.  
They are all beyond stagnant. 
The reason is obvious, they are all part of The Enlightenment, and it is THAT above all that is dead, or certainly dying.  
I am not saying there still aren&#039;t millions of people who identify and participate with those groups. Of course there are.  But quantity is hardly an argument or defense.  

This might look hopeless but to more courageous spirits it&#039;s an opportunity.

But we have our work cut out for us.  All of the major institutions, from the economic to the government, education, business, are going to, or, have to, undergo a complete overhaul, so to speak.

This goes for science, philosophy, art, and religion (in the most general sense, ie; a source of value for a particular group) as well. 

Whites have a great opportunity and our culture truly does offer infinite and incalculable riches which we ignore at our peril. 

The structure is going to be hierarchical as all institutions are and must be.
But this must be different in that the head and body must be in constant contact with each other.  And that means that Whites need to begin to learn how to talk to each other in a way we never have before.  
To fill in these admittedly sketchy ideas obviously requires more than a post, so perhaps this is a good place to stop.  Still, it&#039;s worth pointing out that no one knows exactly what is going to come from all of this, but we have better be prepared for success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing seems clear.  We can&#8217;t be all Body (Political) or all Head (Intellectual).<br />
But we certainly need both.<br />
Another thing that seems clear to me, and happily, not just me, is that the Right and the Left, Liberal Conservative, Democrat and Republican, are as effective Politically as the Universities are Intellectually.<br />
They are all beyond stagnant.<br />
The reason is obvious, they are all part of The Enlightenment, and it is THAT above all that is dead, or certainly dying.<br />
I am not saying there still aren&#8217;t millions of people who identify and participate with those groups. Of course there are.  But quantity is hardly an argument or defense.  </p>
<p>This might look hopeless but to more courageous spirits it&#8217;s an opportunity.</p>
<p>But we have our work cut out for us.  All of the major institutions, from the economic to the government, education, business, are going to, or, have to, undergo a complete overhaul, so to speak.</p>
<p>This goes for science, philosophy, art, and religion (in the most general sense, ie; a source of value for a particular group) as well. </p>
<p>Whites have a great opportunity and our culture truly does offer infinite and incalculable riches which we ignore at our peril. </p>
<p>The structure is going to be hierarchical as all institutions are and must be.<br />
But this must be different in that the head and body must be in constant contact with each other.  And that means that Whites need to begin to learn how to talk to each other in a way we never have before.<br />
To fill in these admittedly sketchy ideas obviously requires more than a post, so perhaps this is a good place to stop.  Still, it&#8217;s worth pointing out that no one knows exactly what is going to come from all of this, but we have better be prepared for success.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

<!-- Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: http://www.w3-edge.com/wordpress-plugins/

Minified using apc (Feed is rejected)
Page Caching using memcached
Database Caching using memcached
Object Caching 798/887 objects using memcached

Served from: www.toqonline.com @ 2012-02-09 13:52:26 -->
