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		<title>By: Nietzsche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nietzsche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pandorans can also be seen as the Native whites of northern Europe who were forced to adopt a Jewish religion by the Roman Empire.

The trees, the harmony with nature,  and the tribal way were how whites lived for 10s of thousands of years.

If in fact the industrial way of life kills or nearly kills the world, we can go back to the ways of our ancestors, who lived sustainably, and with &quot;low carbon footprints&quot; and in tax-free economies. 

We could live that way for eternity, or at least until the sun consumes the earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pandorans can also be seen as the Native whites of northern Europe who were forced to adopt a Jewish religion by the Roman Empire.</p>
<p>The trees, the harmony with nature,  and the tribal way were how whites lived for 10s of thousands of years.</p>
<p>If in fact the industrial way of life kills or nearly kills the world, we can go back to the ways of our ancestors, who lived sustainably, and with &#8220;low carbon footprints&#8221; and in tax-free economies. </p>
<p>We could live that way for eternity, or at least until the sun consumes the earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Crypto-Aryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crypto-Aryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian&#039;s comment is not entirely false, but not entirely correct.  Yes, the invaders are a multinational corporation staffed by a multiracial bunch.  But the leaders of the corporation were all white males.   And there WAS more than one white villian.  The other main one was the &quot;corporate administer,&quot; who keeps pushing the need to be mindful of the company&#039;s bottom line.   The character played by this guy:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Ribisi

The key exchange in the film is when the woman scientist, the Sigorney Weaver character, starts talking about her theory that the &quot;N&#039;eva&quot; peoples are somehow directly connected to the fundamental substance that holds together the plantet&#039;s biosphere, or some such talk.  And her boss, the white supervisor, who earlier looking at a globe of the planet and its material riches, said &quot;look at all that cheese,&quot;  responds to Weaver&#039;s argument with a derisive laugh and the retort &quot;What the hell are you people smoking?!&quot;  

This is the image of whites: as the supreme movers and beneficiaries of capitalism, as ignorant of the immaterial, as uninterested in scientific progress unless it can be harnessed to improve technology .   As greed, materialistic savages.  

At the same time, of course, the HEROES of the film are almost all white as well, too.  Implicitely so.  A point which many anti-white critics  have pointed out.  I remember reading some speech of William Pierce in which he claims that on some issues, white nationalists are much more comfortable with what is today considered to be &quot;on the left.&quot;  And the first example he mentioned was environmentalism.  In light of this, what the film makes me ask myself is, is it fair to associate white people with these particular negative aspects of capitalism and technological progress, since it is whites and their dynamic spirit that (still) is pushing this progress forward?  

Someone should write an essay on &quot;Global warming, white guilt and White Nationalism&quot;   One question to explore: what are the responsibilities of whites toward transnational environmental concerns that impact whites, but neither directly nor exclusively?  

Ideally, writer would be someone who can grapple honestly with these issues without reflexively and exclusively shifting the blame for everything unsavory about capitalism and modernity on the Jews.   And, of course, someone whose arguments cannot be reflexively dismissed based on him or her having Jewish ancestry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian&#8217;s comment is not entirely false, but not entirely correct.  Yes, the invaders are a multinational corporation staffed by a multiracial bunch.  But the leaders of the corporation were all white males.   And there WAS more than one white villian.  The other main one was the &#8220;corporate administer,&#8221; who keeps pushing the need to be mindful of the company&#8217;s bottom line.   The character played by this guy:  <a target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Ribisi" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Ribisi</a></p>
<p>The key exchange in the film is when the woman scientist, the Sigorney Weaver character, starts talking about her theory that the &#8220;N&#8217;eva&#8221; peoples are somehow directly connected to the fundamental substance that holds together the plantet&#8217;s biosphere, or some such talk.  And her boss, the white supervisor, who earlier looking at a globe of the planet and its material riches, said &#8220;look at all that cheese,&#8221;  responds to Weaver&#8217;s argument with a derisive laugh and the retort &#8220;What the hell are you people smoking?!&#8221;  </p>
<p>This is the image of whites: as the supreme movers and beneficiaries of capitalism, as ignorant of the immaterial, as uninterested in scientific progress unless it can be harnessed to improve technology .   As greed, materialistic savages.  </p>
<p>At the same time, of course, the HEROES of the film are almost all white as well, too.  Implicitely so.  A point which many anti-white critics  have pointed out.  I remember reading some speech of William Pierce in which he claims that on some issues, white nationalists are much more comfortable with what is today considered to be &#8220;on the left.&#8221;  And the first example he mentioned was environmentalism.  In light of this, what the film makes me ask myself is, is it fair to associate white people with these particular negative aspects of capitalism and technological progress, since it is whites and their dynamic spirit that (still) is pushing this progress forward?  </p>
<p>Someone should write an essay on &#8220;Global warming, white guilt and White Nationalism&#8221;   One question to explore: what are the responsibilities of whites toward transnational environmental concerns that impact whites, but neither directly nor exclusively?  </p>
<p>Ideally, writer would be someone who can grapple honestly with these issues without reflexively and exclusively shifting the blame for everything unsavory about capitalism and modernity on the Jews.   And, of course, someone whose arguments cannot be reflexively dismissed based on him or her having Jewish ancestry.</p>
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		<title>By: Nordicreb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nordicreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m giving away my age, I suppose, but I think that the fact that most movies these days are cartoons... eh... high tech I mean... shows that the levels of intellect and intelligence are decreasing rapidly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m giving away my age, I suppose, but I think that the fact that most movies these days are cartoons&#8230; eh&#8230; high tech I mean&#8230; shows that the levels of intellect and intelligence are decreasing rapidly.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesnt anyone seem to find it odd in a movie about greenism. preservation, and the beauty of nature, that every landscape is digital? Furthermore the entire society works less like yggdrasil and more like a giant computer, or perhaps the internet. I think there is a lot of analysis in this area.

The racial politics seem to vague in the movie to make it the focus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesnt anyone seem to find it odd in a movie about greenism. preservation, and the beauty of nature, that every landscape is digital? Furthermore the entire society works less like yggdrasil and more like a giant computer, or perhaps the internet. I think there is a lot of analysis in this area.</p>
<p>The racial politics seem to vague in the movie to make it the focus.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven, I too made the Yggadrisil connection and drew parallels between the Na&#039;vi and ancient Europe. 

While I&#039;d normally take your position on anything I interpreted as a message of race treason, the &quot;how does it feel&quot; line had very little effect on me, largely because Sully was not a human. He was Pandoran not only culturally, but biologically. For this reason - I didn&#039;t interpret his actions as treason, but as defense of his own kin. (It is science fiction, after all). 

I can see where you&#039;re coming from, but I still see no reason to interpret the film&#039;s villainous corporation as a metaphor for White civilization. If that was the message Cameron wanted to send, he could&#039;ve easily had the Na&#039;vi refer to humans as &quot;pale people&quot;, or at least made all the humans White (the average viewer would likely not have taken notice). At the very worst, any cosmopolitan message that may be gleaned from this movie is harmless compared to the barrage of blatant anti-White, pro-black crime propaganda that Hollywood exposes us too on a regular basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven, I too made the Yggadrisil connection and drew parallels between the Na&#8217;vi and ancient Europe. </p>
<p>While I&#8217;d normally take your position on anything I interpreted as a message of race treason, the &#8220;how does it feel&#8221; line had very little effect on me, largely because Sully was not a human. He was Pandoran not only culturally, but biologically. For this reason &#8211; I didn&#8217;t interpret his actions as treason, but as defense of his own kin. (It is science fiction, after all). </p>
<p>I can see where you&#8217;re coming from, but I still see no reason to interpret the film&#8217;s villainous corporation as a metaphor for White civilization. If that was the message Cameron wanted to send, he could&#8217;ve easily had the Na&#8217;vi refer to humans as &#8220;pale people&#8221;, or at least made all the humans White (the average viewer would likely not have taken notice). At the very worst, any cosmopolitan message that may be gleaned from this movie is harmless compared to the barrage of blatant anti-White, pro-black crime propaganda that Hollywood exposes us too on a regular basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Vae Victis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Filmtips: Avatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vae Victis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Filmtips: Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steven E. Romer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven E. Romer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mostly took Levis view on it, but also Ian is just wrong. 

I saw the movie yesterday, and while the most anti white thing in the movie which it really would be insane to IGNORE is when the 2-dimensional marine commander says &quot;how does it feel to betray your race?!?&quot; at a point in the movie when the audience has already obviously chosen sides and become emotionally attached to the 3-dimensional protagonist and his righteousness. That was a blatant turning of the movie into a great big conditioning weapon which will go straight into unwitting children&#039;s minds and help form their opinions about &quot;race traitors&quot;. A good person, an environmental activist, a great warrior, a campassionate savior is one who not only does not care about race, he betrays it. There is simply no denying the nature of that. 

On the other hand, I too imagined the &quot;aliens&quot; as being like the northern Europeans, maybe even the Nazis. Their world-tree is so much like the Yggadrisil from northern European myth it is uncanny. The multi-legged horses reminded me of Odin&#039;s 8-legged steed. The &quot;corporation&quot; I replaced in my mind with the allies in WW2 including the massively selfish and greedy masses of communism destroying the volunteer, multinational, organic and natural Nazi movement concerned with soil and ancestors and invasion by greedy foreign races (Jews) and led by a Hero. Closer to the present, you could equate the corporation with the Jewish &quot;oligarchs&quot; who raped Russia of it&#039;s natural resources. Nazis passed some of the first sweeping animal anti-cruelty laws also. 

Northern Europeans have always been at the forefront of conservation efforts. We believe money, or greed, should not rule. In third-world countries or those with primitive cultures like the one the aliens had, often greed and money and brute power and murder are all that rule. Just turn it around in your head so it makes actual moral sense and enjoy it. I told my kids what to expect, they heard the quote I spoke of, and I pointed out the ridiculousness of that theme. They could see it.

 Train your kids to pick that stuff out. Then they can enjoy movies and maybe become immune to the conditioning. I told them all about how white people are the fairest, most objective, truth-seeking, generous, caring, BEST people on Earth, not the villans they constantly see and are taught about. We are very sensitive to nature -- that is how we discovered evolution, that is how we discovered chemistry, physics,  and everything else of science. We are the OPPOSITE of villans.. we are good, no, GREAT people!! Use the movies as an opportunity to teach, get some popcorn, and enjoy them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly took Levis view on it, but also Ian is just wrong. </p>
<p>I saw the movie yesterday, and while the most anti white thing in the movie which it really would be insane to IGNORE is when the 2-dimensional marine commander says &#8220;how does it feel to betray your race?!?&#8221; at a point in the movie when the audience has already obviously chosen sides and become emotionally attached to the 3-dimensional protagonist and his righteousness. That was a blatant turning of the movie into a great big conditioning weapon which will go straight into unwitting children&#8217;s minds and help form their opinions about &#8220;race traitors&#8221;. A good person, an environmental activist, a great warrior, a campassionate savior is one who not only does not care about race, he betrays it. There is simply no denying the nature of that. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I too imagined the &#8220;aliens&#8221; as being like the northern Europeans, maybe even the Nazis. Their world-tree is so much like the Yggadrisil from northern European myth it is uncanny. The multi-legged horses reminded me of Odin&#8217;s 8-legged steed. The &#8220;corporation&#8221; I replaced in my mind with the allies in WW2 including the massively selfish and greedy masses of communism destroying the volunteer, multinational, organic and natural Nazi movement concerned with soil and ancestors and invasion by greedy foreign races (Jews) and led by a Hero. Closer to the present, you could equate the corporation with the Jewish &#8220;oligarchs&#8221; who raped Russia of it&#8217;s natural resources. Nazis passed some of the first sweeping animal anti-cruelty laws also. </p>
<p>Northern Europeans have always been at the forefront of conservation efforts. We believe money, or greed, should not rule. In third-world countries or those with primitive cultures like the one the aliens had, often greed and money and brute power and murder are all that rule. Just turn it around in your head so it makes actual moral sense and enjoy it. I told my kids what to expect, they heard the quote I spoke of, and I pointed out the ridiculousness of that theme. They could see it.</p>
<p> Train your kids to pick that stuff out. Then they can enjoy movies and maybe become immune to the conditioning. I told them all about how white people are the fairest, most objective, truth-seeking, generous, caring, BEST people on Earth, not the villans they constantly see and are taught about. We are very sensitive to nature &#8212; that is how we discovered evolution, that is how we discovered chemistry, physics,  and everything else of science. We are the OPPOSITE of villans.. we are good, no, GREAT people!! Use the movies as an opportunity to teach, get some popcorn, and enjoy them.</p>
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		<title>By: Levi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Levi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone here needs to read Ian&#039;s comment. Seems rather insightful. A lot of people, especially the more angry and vocal of the pro-White movement, seem to have gone into this film looking for a negative message. Why not explore the idea that perhaps the multiracial, greedy, imperialistic, and degenerate corporate entity is not us, but what we stand against, while the Na&#039;vi are really our own agrarian ancestors that represent a folkish aspect of our race. Just because they don&#039;t have White skin doesn&#039;t mean we can or cannot relate to something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone here needs to read Ian&#8217;s comment. Seems rather insightful. A lot of people, especially the more angry and vocal of the pro-White movement, seem to have gone into this film looking for a negative message. Why not explore the idea that perhaps the multiracial, greedy, imperialistic, and degenerate corporate entity is not us, but what we stand against, while the Na&#8217;vi are really our own agrarian ancestors that represent a folkish aspect of our race. Just because they don&#8217;t have White skin doesn&#8217;t mean we can or cannot relate to something.</p>
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		<title>By: Silas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or just watch the stupid movie for free online. Then ridicule it more.

http://xtshare.com/toshare.php?Id=23189</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or just watch the stupid movie for free online. Then ridicule it more.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://xtshare.com/toshare.php?Id=23189" rel="nofollow">http://xtshare.com/toshare.php?Id=23189</a></p>
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		<title>By: WhitePreservationist</title>
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		<dc:creator>WhitePreservationist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why waste 10+ dollars a person to watch these stupid and pointless Hollywood movies, so-called &#039;films&#039; which are entirely detrimental to White/Western culture?  If you really insist on seeing one of these Hollywood &#039;films&#039; just wait until they finish their run in the main theaters and move on to the 1-2 dollar theaters in about a month in a half or so, that way Hollywood Jews aren&#039;t making any more money on them.

It is pretty sad to me what White America has become, a nation devoid of any true nationwide culture since it has been subverted and near-destroyed in the last few decades, a nation&#039;s mass-culture replaced by anti-cultural Jewish Hollywood movies and idiotic cable television (talmudivision) shows; these Hollywood movies and TV shows seem to be about the only things that bind many Americans together nowadays in a wider/nationwide cultural sense, which is truly pathetic.

BOYCOTT JEWISH HOLLYWOOD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why waste 10+ dollars a person to watch these stupid and pointless Hollywood movies, so-called &#8216;films&#8217; which are entirely detrimental to White/Western culture?  If you really insist on seeing one of these Hollywood &#8216;films&#8217; just wait until they finish their run in the main theaters and move on to the 1-2 dollar theaters in about a month in a half or so, that way Hollywood Jews aren&#8217;t making any more money on them.</p>
<p>It is pretty sad to me what White America has become, a nation devoid of any true nationwide culture since it has been subverted and near-destroyed in the last few decades, a nation&#8217;s mass-culture replaced by anti-cultural Jewish Hollywood movies and idiotic cable television (talmudivision) shows; these Hollywood movies and TV shows seem to be about the only things that bind many Americans together nowadays in a wider/nationwide cultural sense, which is truly pathetic.</p>
<p>BOYCOTT JEWISH HOLLYWOOD!</p>
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		<title>By: Northern</title>
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		<dc:creator>Northern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had wanted to watch it, think ill go watch something not preachy...Second thoughts I had better just sit here in silence.</description>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 19:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The evil force isn&#039;t White America, it&#039;s a multinational corporation portrayed as a multicultural hodge-podge of mostly latino and black mercenaries. If anything, this film is anti-globalist and anti-industrialist. The idea that it&#039;s a White Guilt movie is a paranoid delusion. 

When liberal, Hollywood Directors want to make a white guilt film nowadays, they&#039;re direct. They don&#039;t need to construct elaborate metaphors.

The Jake Sully character is both human and Na&#039;vi. He has one mind that moves back and forth between two bodies. He falls in love with a Na&#039;vi as a Na&#039;vi, and when he defends their culture and heritage, he&#039;s defending his own culture and heritage. Again, you need to see the movie to really see the big picture. 

&quot;Basically, the white characters are portrayed as brutal, greedy and insensitive beasts&quot; is a disgusting oversimplification. There was one white villain, Colonel Quatrich, who has a legion of primarily non-white soldiers who look like they came from ghettos and barrios. On the other hand the &quot;good humans&quot; (there&#039;s a group of them) are almost all white. 

Aside from that, it was a fantastic movie and the fact that a few critics have inferred some deep propaganda message based entirely on their own imaginations is absolutely insane. Conspiracy theories based on one or two bits of information really do nothing to help our movement.

The author of this article is absolutely correct in his criticism of liberalism&#039;s racial double-standard. But it has absolutely nothing to do with this movie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The evil force isn&#8217;t White America, it&#8217;s a multinational corporation portrayed as a multicultural hodge-podge of mostly latino and black mercenaries. If anything, this film is anti-globalist and anti-industrialist. The idea that it&#8217;s a White Guilt movie is a paranoid delusion. </p>
<p>When liberal, Hollywood Directors want to make a white guilt film nowadays, they&#8217;re direct. They don&#8217;t need to construct elaborate metaphors.</p>
<p>The Jake Sully character is both human and Na&#8217;vi. He has one mind that moves back and forth between two bodies. He falls in love with a Na&#8217;vi as a Na&#8217;vi, and when he defends their culture and heritage, he&#8217;s defending his own culture and heritage. Again, you need to see the movie to really see the big picture. </p>
<p>&#8220;Basically, the white characters are portrayed as brutal, greedy and insensitive beasts&#8221; is a disgusting oversimplification. There was one white villain, Colonel Quatrich, who has a legion of primarily non-white soldiers who look like they came from ghettos and barrios. On the other hand the &#8220;good humans&#8221; (there&#8217;s a group of them) are almost all white. </p>
<p>Aside from that, it was a fantastic movie and the fact that a few critics have inferred some deep propaganda message based entirely on their own imaginations is absolutely insane. Conspiracy theories based on one or two bits of information really do nothing to help our movement.</p>
<p>The author of this article is absolutely correct in his criticism of liberalism&#8217;s racial double-standard. But it has absolutely nothing to do with this movie.</p>
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		<title>By: The Admiral</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Admiral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The liberal love affair with the traditionalism of non-white societies is really a desire for pre-European contact, a harkening back to the good times when White people did not exist in the non-white universe. Translated to real world politics, this attitude invariably leads to a policy of racial extermination.  Hence, the liberal need to push an agenda of anti-White discrimination, persecution, and genocide-through-mass-immigration and miscegenation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The liberal love affair with the traditionalism of non-white societies is really a desire for pre-European contact, a harkening back to the good times when White people did not exist in the non-white universe. Translated to real world politics, this attitude invariably leads to a policy of racial extermination.  Hence, the liberal need to push an agenda of anti-White discrimination, persecution, and genocide-through-mass-immigration and miscegenation.</p>
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		<title>By: Morgan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahhh I was waiting for a review of &lt;i&gt;Avatar&lt;/i&gt; to be put up on &lt;i&gt;TOQOnline&lt;/i&gt;!

 I was switched on throughout the whole film and what I saw [besides &lt;i&gt;Dances With Smurfs&lt;/i&gt;] was James Cameron jerking it to the &lt;i&gt;United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples&lt;/i&gt;. Pure unadulterated Post-Colonial twaddle. The story was in terms of colonisers and the colonised. I had to laugh when Cameron couldn&#039;t make up his mind whether the Na&#039;vi were Africans or American Indians, though that of course didn&#039;t matter, they&#039;re an &lt;i&gt;indigenous&lt;/i&gt; people UN style i.e. non-whites colonised by whites; whites can never be indigenous. 

Of course the race traitor protagonist is a Southerner! Going on an epic physical and inner journey leading to his anti-white redemption. Methinks &lt;i&gt;Avatar&lt;/i&gt; was ghost written by Morris Dees! 

I nearly threw my 3D glasses at the screen at the line about the Na&#039;vi connexion with their ancestors was something the evil whites were going to sever. Non-white traditions are to be romanticised and ultimately adopted by whites whose own traditions are supremacist and destroy non-white traditions.

I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not the only one that saw the exact same messages in the latest anti-white propaganda flick out of Hollywood. Don&#039;t take your children or younger brothers and sisters to see it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahhh I was waiting for a review of <i>Avatar</i> to be put up on <i>TOQOnline</i>!</p>
<p> I was switched on throughout the whole film and what I saw [besides <i>Dances With Smurfs</i>] was James Cameron jerking it to the <i>United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples</i>. Pure unadulterated Post-Colonial twaddle. The story was in terms of colonisers and the colonised. I had to laugh when Cameron couldn&#8217;t make up his mind whether the Na&#8217;vi were Africans or American Indians, though that of course didn&#8217;t matter, they&#8217;re an <i>indigenous</i> people UN style i.e. non-whites colonised by whites; whites can never be indigenous. </p>
<p>Of course the race traitor protagonist is a Southerner! Going on an epic physical and inner journey leading to his anti-white redemption. Methinks <i>Avatar</i> was ghost written by Morris Dees! </p>
<p>I nearly threw my 3D glasses at the screen at the line about the Na&#8217;vi connexion with their ancestors was something the evil whites were going to sever. Non-white traditions are to be romanticised and ultimately adopted by whites whose own traditions are supremacist and destroy non-white traditions.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not the only one that saw the exact same messages in the latest anti-white propaganda flick out of Hollywood. Don&#8217;t take your children or younger brothers and sisters to see it!</p>
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		<title>By: Dedalus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dedalus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 06:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are two things that have to be explained about all this. The first is why white liberals would fantasise about being traitors to their own race. The second is why liberal moderns, who think of themselves as progressives, would support the traditionalism of non-white societies.&quot;

This last sentence shows the link between Liberals and Conservatives, and would be one, if not the, reason I would give if anyone asked me why I am not either.

Liberal moderns would support the traditional non-White society for the same reason Conservatives would support the tradional White society.
What is the reason?
The reason is they both believe that somewhere at some time in the past there was a place of perfect order and value.  A place where man was perfectly adapted to his environment.
This belief is founded on a sentimentality. 
There has never been a time where mankind has been perfectly adapted to his environment. Something a glance at mankind&#039;s history ought to make perfectly obvious.
As far as I can see our only salvation lies in accepting this fact.

In any event.  When you wish to feel superior to someone you have two options.
Hurt them or Help them.
You can only hurt those who will truly be effected in some way by your attempts to hurt them.  When one group of Whites accused another in the past of being morally and intellectually inferior they could have simply ignored each other.
But when one of them got hold of some real power they could do all sorts of things.

It&#039;s good, old-fashioned cruelty.  Taking active pleasure in hurting someone and concealing this primitive cruelty in moral self-rigtheousness, by being &quot;kind&quot; to someone else.  But both are violations. 
As this charade became more transparent, and the violation revealed, the need to seriously limit free speech became paramount. And, even more important, the need to limit, or eliminate, free assembly!

With &quot;bad&quot; Whites the &quot;good&quot; ones get to play the Old Testament God (Judgmental and Merciless)
While with their non-White dependents the &quot;good&quot; Whites get to play the New Testament God (Understanding, Merciful, and Compassionate).

In short, they are absolutely stuck in a dreary ritual of forcing themselves and everyone else to act out rigid roles by reading from an ancient script.  
Funny, doesn&#039;t sound very progressive to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are two things that have to be explained about all this. The first is why white liberals would fantasise about being traitors to their own race. The second is why liberal moderns, who think of themselves as progressives, would support the traditionalism of non-white societies.&#8221;</p>
<p>This last sentence shows the link between Liberals and Conservatives, and would be one, if not the, reason I would give if anyone asked me why I am not either.</p>
<p>Liberal moderns would support the traditional non-White society for the same reason Conservatives would support the tradional White society.<br />
What is the reason?<br />
The reason is they both believe that somewhere at some time in the past there was a place of perfect order and value.  A place where man was perfectly adapted to his environment.<br />
This belief is founded on a sentimentality.<br />
There has never been a time where mankind has been perfectly adapted to his environment. Something a glance at mankind&#8217;s history ought to make perfectly obvious.<br />
As far as I can see our only salvation lies in accepting this fact.</p>
<p>In any event.  When you wish to feel superior to someone you have two options.<br />
Hurt them or Help them.<br />
You can only hurt those who will truly be effected in some way by your attempts to hurt them.  When one group of Whites accused another in the past of being morally and intellectually inferior they could have simply ignored each other.<br />
But when one of them got hold of some real power they could do all sorts of things.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s good, old-fashioned cruelty.  Taking active pleasure in hurting someone and concealing this primitive cruelty in moral self-rigtheousness, by being &#8220;kind&#8221; to someone else.  But both are violations.<br />
As this charade became more transparent, and the violation revealed, the need to seriously limit free speech became paramount. And, even more important, the need to limit, or eliminate, free assembly!</p>
<p>With &#8220;bad&#8221; Whites the &#8220;good&#8221; ones get to play the Old Testament God (Judgmental and Merciless)<br />
While with their non-White dependents the &#8220;good&#8221; Whites get to play the New Testament God (Understanding, Merciful, and Compassionate).</p>
<p>In short, they are absolutely stuck in a dreary ritual of forcing themselves and everyone else to act out rigid roles by reading from an ancient script.<br />
Funny, doesn&#8217;t sound very progressive to me.</p>
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