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		<title>By: Nietzsche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nietzsche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:55:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pandorans can also be seen as the Native whites of northern Europe who were forced to adopt a Jewish religion by the Roman Empire.

The trees, the harmony with nature,  and the tribal way were how whites lived for 10s of thousands of years.

If in fact the industrial way of life kills or nearly kills the world, we can go back to the ways of our ancestors, who lived sustainably, and with &quot;low carbon footprints&quot; and in tax-free economies. 

We could live that way for eternity, or at least until the sun consumes the earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pandorans can also be seen as the Native whites of northern Europe who were forced to adopt a Jewish religion by the Roman Empire.</p>
<p>The trees, the harmony with nature,  and the tribal way were how whites lived for 10s of thousands of years.</p>
<p>If in fact the industrial way of life kills or nearly kills the world, we can go back to the ways of our ancestors, who lived sustainably, and with &#8220;low carbon footprints&#8221; and in tax-free economies. </p>
<p>We could live that way for eternity, or at least until the sun consumes the earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Crypto-Aryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Crypto-Aryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:59:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian&#039;s comment is not entirely false, but not entirely correct.  Yes, the invaders are a multinational corporation staffed by a multiracial bunch.  But the leaders of the corporation were all white males.   And there WAS more than one white villian.  The other main one was the &quot;corporate administer,&quot; who keeps pushing the need to be mindful of the company&#039;s bottom line.   The character played by this guy:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Ribisi

The key exchange in the film is when the woman scientist, the Sigorney Weaver character, starts talking about her theory that the &quot;N&#039;eva&quot; peoples are somehow directly connected to the fundamental substance that holds together the plantet&#039;s biosphere, or some such talk.  And her boss, the white supervisor, who earlier looking at a globe of the planet and its material riches, said &quot;look at all that cheese,&quot;  responds to Weaver&#039;s argument with a derisive laugh and the retort &quot;What the hell are you people smoking?!&quot;  

This is the image of whites: as the supreme movers and beneficiaries of capitalism, as ignorant of the immaterial, as uninterested in scientific progress unless it can be harnessed to improve technology .   As greed, materialistic savages.  

At the same time, of course, the HEROES of the film are almost all white as well, too.  Implicitely so.  A point which many anti-white critics  have pointed out.  I remember reading some speech of William Pierce in which he claims that on some issues, white nationalists are much more comfortable with what is today considered to be &quot;on the left.&quot;  And the first example he mentioned was environmentalism.  In light of this, what the film makes me ask myself is, is it fair to associate white people with these particular negative aspects of capitalism and technological progress, since it is whites and their dynamic spirit that (still) is pushing this progress forward?  

Someone should write an essay on &quot;Global warming, white guilt and White Nationalism&quot;   One question to explore: what are the responsibilities of whites toward transnational environmental concerns that impact whites, but neither directly nor exclusively?  

Ideally, writer would be someone who can grapple honestly with these issues without reflexively and exclusively shifting the blame for everything unsavory about capitalism and modernity on the Jews.   And, of course, someone whose arguments cannot be reflexively dismissed based on him or her having Jewish ancestry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian&#8217;s comment is not entirely false, but not entirely correct.  Yes, the invaders are a multinational corporation staffed by a multiracial bunch.  But the leaders of the corporation were all white males.   And there WAS more than one white villian.  The other main one was the &#8220;corporate administer,&#8221; who keeps pushing the need to be mindful of the company&#8217;s bottom line.   The character played by this guy:  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Ribisi" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Ribisi</a></p>
<p>The key exchange in the film is when the woman scientist, the Sigorney Weaver character, starts talking about her theory that the &#8220;N&#8217;eva&#8221; peoples are somehow directly connected to the fundamental substance that holds together the plantet&#8217;s biosphere, or some such talk.  And her boss, the white supervisor, who earlier looking at a globe of the planet and its material riches, said &#8220;look at all that cheese,&#8221;  responds to Weaver&#8217;s argument with a derisive laugh and the retort &#8220;What the hell are you people smoking?!&#8221;  </p>
<p>This is the image of whites: as the supreme movers and beneficiaries of capitalism, as ignorant of the immaterial, as uninterested in scientific progress unless it can be harnessed to improve technology .   As greed, materialistic savages.  </p>
<p>At the same time, of course, the HEROES of the film are almost all white as well, too.  Implicitely so.  A point which many anti-white critics  have pointed out.  I remember reading some speech of William Pierce in which he claims that on some issues, white nationalists are much more comfortable with what is today considered to be &#8220;on the left.&#8221;  And the first example he mentioned was environmentalism.  In light of this, what the film makes me ask myself is, is it fair to associate white people with these particular negative aspects of capitalism and technological progress, since it is whites and their dynamic spirit that (still) is pushing this progress forward?  </p>
<p>Someone should write an essay on &#8220;Global warming, white guilt and White Nationalism&#8221;   One question to explore: what are the responsibilities of whites toward transnational environmental concerns that impact whites, but neither directly nor exclusively?  </p>
<p>Ideally, writer would be someone who can grapple honestly with these issues without reflexively and exclusively shifting the blame for everything unsavory about capitalism and modernity on the Jews.   And, of course, someone whose arguments cannot be reflexively dismissed based on him or her having Jewish ancestry.</p>
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		<title>By: Nordicreb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nordicreb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Jan 2010 03:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m giving away my age, I suppose, but I think that the fact that most movies these days are cartoons... eh... high tech I mean... shows that the levels of intellect and intelligence are decreasing rapidly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m giving away my age, I suppose, but I think that the fact that most movies these days are cartoons&#8230; eh&#8230; high tech I mean&#8230; shows that the levels of intellect and intelligence are decreasing rapidly.</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 22:50:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doesnt anyone seem to find it odd in a movie about greenism. preservation, and the beauty of nature, that every landscape is digital? Furthermore the entire society works less like yggdrasil and more like a giant computer, or perhaps the internet. I think there is a lot of analysis in this area.

The racial politics seem to vague in the movie to make it the focus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesnt anyone seem to find it odd in a movie about greenism. preservation, and the beauty of nature, that every landscape is digital? Furthermore the entire society works less like yggdrasil and more like a giant computer, or perhaps the internet. I think there is a lot of analysis in this area.</p>
<p>The racial politics seem to vague in the movie to make it the focus.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 07:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steven, I too made the Yggadrisil connection and drew parallels between the Na&#039;vi and ancient Europe. 

While I&#039;d normally take your position on anything I interpreted as a message of race treason, the &quot;how does it feel&quot; line had very little effect on me, largely because Sully was not a human. He was Pandoran not only culturally, but biologically. For this reason - I didn&#039;t interpret his actions as treason, but as defense of his own kin. (It is science fiction, after all). 

I can see where you&#039;re coming from, but I still see no reason to interpret the film&#039;s villainous corporation as a metaphor for White civilization. If that was the message Cameron wanted to send, he could&#039;ve easily had the Na&#039;vi refer to humans as &quot;pale people&quot;, or at least made all the humans White (the average viewer would likely not have taken notice). At the very worst, any cosmopolitan message that may be gleaned from this movie is harmless compared to the barrage of blatant anti-White, pro-black crime propaganda that Hollywood exposes us too on a regular basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven, I too made the Yggadrisil connection and drew parallels between the Na&#8217;vi and ancient Europe. </p>
<p>While I&#8217;d normally take your position on anything I interpreted as a message of race treason, the &#8220;how does it feel&#8221; line had very little effect on me, largely because Sully was not a human. He was Pandoran not only culturally, but biologically. For this reason &#8211; I didn&#8217;t interpret his actions as treason, but as defense of his own kin. (It is science fiction, after all). </p>
<p>I can see where you&#8217;re coming from, but I still see no reason to interpret the film&#8217;s villainous corporation as a metaphor for White civilization. If that was the message Cameron wanted to send, he could&#8217;ve easily had the Na&#8217;vi refer to humans as &#8220;pale people&#8221;, or at least made all the humans White (the average viewer would likely not have taken notice). At the very worst, any cosmopolitan message that may be gleaned from this movie is harmless compared to the barrage of blatant anti-White, pro-black crime propaganda that Hollywood exposes us too on a regular basis.</p>
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		<title>By: Vae Victis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Filmtips: Avatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vae Victis &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Filmtips: Avatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Steven E. Romer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven E. Romer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I mostly took Levis view on it, but also Ian is just wrong. 

I saw the movie yesterday, and while the most anti white thing in the movie which it really would be insane to IGNORE is when the 2-dimensional marine commander says &quot;how does it feel to betray your race?!?&quot; at a point in the movie when the audience has already obviously chosen sides and become emotionally attached to the 3-dimensional protagonist and his righteousness. That was a blatant turning of the movie into a great big conditioning weapon which will go straight into unwitting children&#039;s minds and help form their opinions about &quot;race traitors&quot;. A good person, an environmental activist, a great warrior, a campassionate savior is one who not only does not care about race, he betrays it. There is simply no denying the nature of that. 

On the other hand, I too imagined the &quot;aliens&quot; as being like the northern Europeans, maybe even the Nazis. Their world-tree is so much like the Yggadrisil from northern European myth it is uncanny. The multi-legged horses reminded me of Odin&#039;s 8-legged steed. The &quot;corporation&quot; I replaced in my mind with the allies in WW2 including the massively selfish and greedy masses of communism destroying the volunteer, multinational, organic and natural Nazi movement concerned with soil and ancestors and invasion by greedy foreign races (Jews) and led by a Hero. Closer to the present, you could equate the corporation with the Jewish &quot;oligarchs&quot; who raped Russia of it&#039;s natural resources. Nazis passed some of the first sweeping animal anti-cruelty laws also. 

Northern Europeans have always been at the forefront of conservation efforts. We believe money, or greed, should not rule. In third-world countries or those with primitive cultures like the one the aliens had, often greed and money and brute power and murder are all that rule. Just turn it around in your head so it makes actual moral sense and enjoy it. I told my kids what to expect, they heard the quote I spoke of, and I pointed out the ridiculousness of that theme. They could see it.

 Train your kids to pick that stuff out. Then they can enjoy movies and maybe become immune to the conditioning. I told them all about how white people are the fairest, most objective, truth-seeking, generous, caring, BEST people on Earth, not the villans they constantly see and are taught about. We are very sensitive to nature -- that is how we discovered evolution, that is how we discovered chemistry, physics,  and everything else of science. We are the OPPOSITE of villans.. we are good, no, GREAT people!! Use the movies as an opportunity to teach, get some popcorn, and enjoy them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I mostly took Levis view on it, but also Ian is just wrong. </p>
<p>I saw the movie yesterday, and while the most anti white thing in the movie which it really would be insane to IGNORE is when the 2-dimensional marine commander says &#8220;how does it feel to betray your race?!?&#8221; at a point in the movie when the audience has already obviously chosen sides and become emotionally attached to the 3-dimensional protagonist and his righteousness. That was a blatant turning of the movie into a great big conditioning weapon which will go straight into unwitting children&#8217;s minds and help form their opinions about &#8220;race traitors&#8221;. A good person, an environmental activist, a great warrior, a campassionate savior is one who not only does not care about race, he betrays it. There is simply no denying the nature of that. </p>
<p>On the other hand, I too imagined the &#8220;aliens&#8221; as being like the northern Europeans, maybe even the Nazis. Their world-tree is so much like the Yggadrisil from northern European myth it is uncanny. The multi-legged horses reminded me of Odin&#8217;s 8-legged steed. The &#8220;corporation&#8221; I replaced in my mind with the allies in WW2 including the massively selfish and greedy masses of communism destroying the volunteer, multinational, organic and natural Nazi movement concerned with soil and ancestors and invasion by greedy foreign races (Jews) and led by a Hero. Closer to the present, you could equate the corporation with the Jewish &#8220;oligarchs&#8221; who raped Russia of it&#8217;s natural resources. Nazis passed some of the first sweeping animal anti-cruelty laws also. </p>
<p>Northern Europeans have always been at the forefront of conservation efforts. We believe money, or greed, should not rule. In third-world countries or those with primitive cultures like the one the aliens had, often greed and money and brute power and murder are all that rule. Just turn it around in your head so it makes actual moral sense and enjoy it. I told my kids what to expect, they heard the quote I spoke of, and I pointed out the ridiculousness of that theme. They could see it.</p>
<p> Train your kids to pick that stuff out. Then they can enjoy movies and maybe become immune to the conditioning. I told them all about how white people are the fairest, most objective, truth-seeking, generous, caring, BEST people on Earth, not the villans they constantly see and are taught about. We are very sensitive to nature &#8212; that is how we discovered evolution, that is how we discovered chemistry, physics,  and everything else of science. We are the OPPOSITE of villans.. we are good, no, GREAT people!! Use the movies as an opportunity to teach, get some popcorn, and enjoy them.</p>
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		<title>By: Levi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Levi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 04:16:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think everyone here needs to read Ian&#039;s comment. Seems rather insightful. A lot of people, especially the more angry and vocal of the pro-White movement, seem to have gone into this film looking for a negative message. Why not explore the idea that perhaps the multiracial, greedy, imperialistic, and degenerate corporate entity is not us, but what we stand against, while the Na&#039;vi are really our own agrarian ancestors that represent a folkish aspect of our race. Just because they don&#039;t have White skin doesn&#039;t mean we can or cannot relate to something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone here needs to read Ian&#8217;s comment. Seems rather insightful. A lot of people, especially the more angry and vocal of the pro-White movement, seem to have gone into this film looking for a negative message. Why not explore the idea that perhaps the multiracial, greedy, imperialistic, and degenerate corporate entity is not us, but what we stand against, while the Na&#8217;vi are really our own agrarian ancestors that represent a folkish aspect of our race. Just because they don&#8217;t have White skin doesn&#8217;t mean we can or cannot relate to something.</p>
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		<title>By: Silas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Silas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 02:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or just watch the stupid movie for free online. Then ridicule it more.

http://xtshare.com/toshare.php?Id=23189</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or just watch the stupid movie for free online. Then ridicule it more.</p>
<p><a href="http://xtshare.com/toshare.php?Id=23189" rel="nofollow">http://xtshare.com/toshare.php?Id=23189</a></p>
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		<title>By: WhitePreservationist</title>
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		<dc:creator>WhitePreservationist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why waste 10+ dollars a person to watch these stupid and pointless Hollywood movies, so-called &#039;films&#039; which are entirely detrimental to White/Western culture?  If you really insist on seeing one of these Hollywood &#039;films&#039; just wait until they finish their run in the main theaters and move on to the 1-2 dollar theaters in about a month in a half or so, that way Hollywood Jews aren&#039;t making any more money on them.

It is pretty sad to me what White America has become, a nation devoid of any true nationwide culture since it has been subverted and near-destroyed in the last few decades, a nation&#039;s mass-culture replaced by anti-cultural Jewish Hollywood movies and idiotic cable television (talmudivision) shows; these Hollywood movies and TV shows seem to be about the only things that bind many Americans together nowadays in a wider/nationwide cultural sense, which is truly pathetic.

BOYCOTT JEWISH HOLLYWOOD!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why waste 10+ dollars a person to watch these stupid and pointless Hollywood movies, so-called &#8216;films&#8217; which are entirely detrimental to White/Western culture?  If you really insist on seeing one of these Hollywood &#8216;films&#8217; just wait until they finish their run in the main theaters and move on to the 1-2 dollar theaters in about a month in a half or so, that way Hollywood Jews aren&#8217;t making any more money on them.</p>
<p>It is pretty sad to me what White America has become, a nation devoid of any true nationwide culture since it has been subverted and near-destroyed in the last few decades, a nation&#8217;s mass-culture replaced by anti-cultural Jewish Hollywood movies and idiotic cable television (talmudivision) shows; these Hollywood movies and TV shows seem to be about the only things that bind many Americans together nowadays in a wider/nationwide cultural sense, which is truly pathetic.</p>
<p>BOYCOTT JEWISH HOLLYWOOD!</p>
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