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		<title>By: Michael O'Meara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael O'Meara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 20:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razvan,

You eloquently state your case -- which is very impressive in a second language.

I completely sympathize with it and realize that the Russians were once cruel masters, as cruel as the English -- although the latter thought of themselves as &quot;so civilized.&quot;

Like Francis Parker Yockey, I think Europe has to achieve her destiny -- which means some sort of federal imperium to protect her from the Outer Revolt.

There is much, admittedly, that is &quot;barbarian&quot; (as well as much that is brilliant) in Russian life.

If Russia should pursue her destiny as the Third Rome, doing so in alliance with Europe, there is, I believe, hope.  But, as you wisely counsel, we should remain prudent.

Your caution here balances my optimism.

I think, though, that we stand together in defending Magna Europa from her enemies.  And that&#039;s what counts in the end.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razvan,</p>
<p>You eloquently state your case &#8212; which is very impressive in a second language.</p>
<p>I completely sympathize with it and realize that the Russians were once cruel masters, as cruel as the English &#8212; although the latter thought of themselves as &#8220;so civilized.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like Francis Parker Yockey, I think Europe has to achieve her destiny &#8212; which means some sort of federal imperium to protect her from the Outer Revolt.</p>
<p>There is much, admittedly, that is &#8220;barbarian&#8221; (as well as much that is brilliant) in Russian life.</p>
<p>If Russia should pursue her destiny as the Third Rome, doing so in alliance with Europe, there is, I believe, hope.  But, as you wisely counsel, we should remain prudent.</p>
<p>Your caution here balances my optimism.</p>
<p>I think, though, that we stand together in defending Magna Europa from her enemies.  And that&#8217;s what counts in the end.</p>
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		<title>By: Razvan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 21:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael,

I love &lt;em&gt;The Occidental Quarterly&lt;/em&gt; even when we disagree. It surely is like a virtual home for many nationalists.

What&#039;s great is how beautiful our heroes are and how much they resemble spiritually and even physically.

Your vision of a march shoulder by shoulder of the entire white race is inspiring, certainly. And probably this is the way the things should be if we would live in a rational world.

To clarify a point: I cannot hate Russians. I like many &quot;Russian&quot; things. From  Dostoevsky to the Saint Serghie Lavra, from the Suzdal red to the Rubliov paintings. From Ilya Repin to Sankt Petersburg to Tarkovsky movies. Even &lt;em&gt;Kvant &lt;/em&gt;and &lt;em&gt;Matematika v Schole&lt;/em&gt; magazines from my childhood. In fact there are many things I love.

Your opinion (and Pârvulescu&#039;s) is an opinion held by many Romanian aristocrats and princes since the beginning of seventeen century. They sought help from the Russian Tsars and thought that Russia will help to free the south-eastern European countries from the Ottoman occupation or influence. Especially due to the fact that these countries were Orthodox Christian and this was seen as an extremely strong point for the idea. Others were animated by more mundane things thinking that under Russian suzerainty it would be easier for them to preserve their wealth and influence. Others were expecting the same thing from the Hapsburgs.

There are many historical stories about certain benevolent gestures from different Tsars (including Peter the Great) and Austrian Emperors (including Rudolf II, Maria Theresa, Joseph II or Franz Joseph).

Bottom line, only to see those dreams of Christian brotherhood thoroughly shattered - for Romanians at least.  Pieces of land stolen through bribes to the Turks, deportations of Romanians, alien populations moved to the Romanian Principalities and Transylvania. An estranged aristocracy bought with medals and honorific titles or under the edge of the sword. Social and national uprisings savagely  crushed by the imperial soldiers.

Things that the Irish know and feel exactly the same. Everything is identical to the last detail. From the famine to deportations, from the killing fields to the political prisoners to the tragic death of known patriots and artists, even to our days, these years. Irish and Romanians in Moldavia alike.

Also the Atlantists bombed Romanian cities like Bucharest and Ploiesti; when they were too afraid to go further they dropped their bombs on small villages and churches just north of Danube. So I know all too well what you are feeling about everything. Only that we still don&#039;t know how many people died exactly.

It is sad, but this is the situation, this is our history. Sometimes tragic, sometimes wonderful. Heroes and monsters, adventurers and geniuses, man and women of courage, military men and humanists, republics and empires. This is what makes Europe tragically great.

Now we need something new, trying to not repeat the past mistakes.

Only that the Imperium seems a little bit impractical. Think only how easily they sparked the war in the former Yugoslavia. Think only how easily they manipulated the European countries into the second suicidal war. Is there any indication that this time things will go better for all Europeans wherever they are?

I can not believe in an Empire. Not even the Emperor Nerva Trajan the conqueror of Dacia would resurrect (as &quot;Legenda Aurea&quot; says) and reclaim the throne of Europe. The empire is still an empire, menacing and transient.

It is the imperial thinking pouring aliens slaves in our homelands. It is the same thinking that celebrates diversity and the chaotic movement of population in an attempt to sow distrust, fear and hatred to push everybody into a hopeless state of mind.

It the same old &quot;&lt;em&gt;divide et impera&lt;/em&gt;.&quot;

Changing one master with another will lead to the same, I think. I thought 20 years ago that Gorbachev and the Russians would make it for the better. It was 1989. It didn&#039;t happen. We got rid of Ceausescu but got some other stooges, Moscow obedience. The same soviet stooges are promoting right now &quot;diversity&quot; and &quot;democracy.&quot; Right now. Documented soviet spies talking about democracy and diversity, human rights and so on. Despising everything Romanian. Lickspittles as you rightfully call them. Waiting for Americans, no need to say, the same disillusion.

Now I know that the &quot;hope is in ourselves&quot; - like an old song says. Only there. The hope to rebuild our nations.

If the Russians will help I will be happy. Till then I think everybody should be prudent. God help us all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>I love <em>The Occidental Quarterly</em> even when we disagree. It surely is like a virtual home for many nationalists.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s great is how beautiful our heroes are and how much they resemble spiritually and even physically.</p>
<p>Your vision of a march shoulder by shoulder of the entire white race is inspiring, certainly. And probably this is the way the things should be if we would live in a rational world.</p>
<p>To clarify a point: I cannot hate Russians. I like many &#8220;Russian&#8221; things. From  Dostoevsky to the Saint Serghie Lavra, from the Suzdal red to the Rubliov paintings. From Ilya Repin to Sankt Petersburg to Tarkovsky movies. Even <em>Kvant </em>and <em>Matematika v Schole</em> magazines from my childhood. In fact there are many things I love.</p>
<p>Your opinion (and Pârvulescu&#8217;s) is an opinion held by many Romanian aristocrats and princes since the beginning of seventeen century. They sought help from the Russian Tsars and thought that Russia will help to free the south-eastern European countries from the Ottoman occupation or influence. Especially due to the fact that these countries were Orthodox Christian and this was seen as an extremely strong point for the idea. Others were animated by more mundane things thinking that under Russian suzerainty it would be easier for them to preserve their wealth and influence. Others were expecting the same thing from the Hapsburgs.</p>
<p>There are many historical stories about certain benevolent gestures from different Tsars (including Peter the Great) and Austrian Emperors (including Rudolf II, Maria Theresa, Joseph II or Franz Joseph).</p>
<p>Bottom line, only to see those dreams of Christian brotherhood thoroughly shattered &#8211; for Romanians at least.  Pieces of land stolen through bribes to the Turks, deportations of Romanians, alien populations moved to the Romanian Principalities and Transylvania. An estranged aristocracy bought with medals and honorific titles or under the edge of the sword. Social and national uprisings savagely  crushed by the imperial soldiers.</p>
<p>Things that the Irish know and feel exactly the same. Everything is identical to the last detail. From the famine to deportations, from the killing fields to the political prisoners to the tragic death of known patriots and artists, even to our days, these years. Irish and Romanians in Moldavia alike.</p>
<p>Also the Atlantists bombed Romanian cities like Bucharest and Ploiesti; when they were too afraid to go further they dropped their bombs on small villages and churches just north of Danube. So I know all too well what you are feeling about everything. Only that we still don&#8217;t know how many people died exactly.</p>
<p>It is sad, but this is the situation, this is our history. Sometimes tragic, sometimes wonderful. Heroes and monsters, adventurers and geniuses, man and women of courage, military men and humanists, republics and empires. This is what makes Europe tragically great.</p>
<p>Now we need something new, trying to not repeat the past mistakes.</p>
<p>Only that the Imperium seems a little bit impractical. Think only how easily they sparked the war in the former Yugoslavia. Think only how easily they manipulated the European countries into the second suicidal war. Is there any indication that this time things will go better for all Europeans wherever they are?</p>
<p>I can not believe in an Empire. Not even the Emperor Nerva Trajan the conqueror of Dacia would resurrect (as &#8220;Legenda Aurea&#8221; says) and reclaim the throne of Europe. The empire is still an empire, menacing and transient.</p>
<p>It is the imperial thinking pouring aliens slaves in our homelands. It is the same thinking that celebrates diversity and the chaotic movement of population in an attempt to sow distrust, fear and hatred to push everybody into a hopeless state of mind.</p>
<p>It the same old &#8220;<em>divide et impera</em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Changing one master with another will lead to the same, I think. I thought 20 years ago that Gorbachev and the Russians would make it for the better. It was 1989. It didn&#8217;t happen. We got rid of Ceausescu but got some other stooges, Moscow obedience. The same soviet stooges are promoting right now &#8220;diversity&#8221; and &#8220;democracy.&#8221; Right now. Documented soviet spies talking about democracy and diversity, human rights and so on. Despising everything Romanian. Lickspittles as you rightfully call them. Waiting for Americans, no need to say, the same disillusion.</p>
<p>Now I know that the &#8220;hope is in ourselves&#8221; &#8211; like an old song says. Only there. The hope to rebuild our nations.</p>
<p>If the Russians will help I will be happy. Till then I think everybody should be prudent. God help us all!</p>
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		<title>By: Michael O'Meara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael O'Meara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Razvan,

I think Condreanu is one of the 20th-century&#039;s most extraordinary figures.  He touches my spirit in ways that Patrick Pearse or John Mitchel do.  Through him I have become attentive to many things Romanian, like Eliade, Ionescu, and Cioran.

But at this point in time I believe only Russia offers the white men of the West an alternative to annihilation.  

The grievances Romanians and other East Europeans have against the Russians, real as they are, are no greater than those &quot;We Irish&quot; have against the English.  Yet in the name of fighting the Outer Enemy who seeks our destruction, I seek to march shoulder to shoulder with them in defense of our common European homeland.

America is now a Jew-dominated empire of utter perversion, symbolized by a monkey.  Western and Central Europeans are governed by the American Party, made up of Europe&#039;s lickspittle.  The only white nation that still has a nation-bearing stratum is Russia, imperfect as it may be.

My hope -- my effort -- is that this time Russia&#039;s imperial ideal will embrace all the national families of Europe.

To this end I struggle with them, they being now the sole bulwark against the Outer Forces.

If an Irish nationalist can &quot;forgive&quot; the English (the most blood-thirsty and degraded people in the world, next to the Americans -- think of how together they firebombed 900,000 German women and children and destroyed more than a millennium of Europe&#039;s richest heritage) -- if Irish nationalists can &quot;forgive&quot; the English, Romanians can &quot;forgive&quot; the Russians.  Parvulescu, who I&#039;ve read, obviously prefers a Russian-led imperium to the horrors promised by the Atlantists.

Remember for the sake of our race and our tradition: True Love Forgets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razvan,</p>
<p>I think Condreanu is one of the 20th-century&#8217;s most extraordinary figures.  He touches my spirit in ways that Patrick Pearse or John Mitchel do.  Through him I have become attentive to many things Romanian, like Eliade, Ionescu, and Cioran.</p>
<p>But at this point in time I believe only Russia offers the white men of the West an alternative to annihilation.  </p>
<p>The grievances Romanians and other East Europeans have against the Russians, real as they are, are no greater than those &#8220;We Irish&#8221; have against the English.  Yet in the name of fighting the Outer Enemy who seeks our destruction, I seek to march shoulder to shoulder with them in defense of our common European homeland.</p>
<p>America is now a Jew-dominated empire of utter perversion, symbolized by a monkey.  Western and Central Europeans are governed by the American Party, made up of Europe&#8217;s lickspittle.  The only white nation that still has a nation-bearing stratum is Russia, imperfect as it may be.</p>
<p>My hope &#8212; my effort &#8212; is that this time Russia&#8217;s imperial ideal will embrace all the national families of Europe.</p>
<p>To this end I struggle with them, they being now the sole bulwark against the Outer Forces.</p>
<p>If an Irish nationalist can &#8220;forgive&#8221; the English (the most blood-thirsty and degraded people in the world, next to the Americans &#8212; think of how together they firebombed 900,000 German women and children and destroyed more than a millennium of Europe&#8217;s richest heritage) &#8212; if Irish nationalists can &#8220;forgive&#8221; the English, Romanians can &#8220;forgive&#8221; the Russians.  Parvulescu, who I&#8217;ve read, obviously prefers a Russian-led imperium to the horrors promised by the Atlantists.</p>
<p>Remember for the sake of our race and our tradition: True Love Forgets.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexej</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 21:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with Razvan. I am from Belarus and here we know very well what Russian imperialism really is. Euro-Asia, Euro-Siberia is a fairy tale for naive europeans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with Razvan. I am from Belarus and here we know very well what Russian imperialism really is. Euro-Asia, Euro-Siberia is a fairy tale for naive europeans.</p>
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		<title>By: Razvan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Razvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 19:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Designing a Euro-Asian Imperium without asking the Russians about it means two possibilities: stupidity or Russian propaganda. 

Stupidity doesn&#039;t explain everything, but this game (let&#039;s have the advocates of &quot;Russian imperialism&quot; and &quot;liberalism&quot; fight for the allegiance of the French people) is just stupid. Yockey, great writer, but incurable romantic. Jean Parvulesco is a Romanian (in fact Pârvulescu) and a mystery for me at this moment. Especially given that the Euro-Asian Imperium is suicidal for Romanians, and not only for them.

In Russian terms the Euro-Asian Imperium is just another term for their pan-Slavist ideology. Translated into Romanian, this means only deportation to Siberia or famine, as happened to so many Romanians in occupied Moldavia. Not only by Bolsheviks, Leninists, or Stalinists. The Tsars were equally inclined to the mass murder and deportation of Romanians. They did the same to their Slavic brothers the Ukrainians and Poles, and to any other people they occupied.

The French people that believe such pieces of propaganda should read some Mayakovsky &quot;poetry.&quot; They will find some interesting pieces about tough Russians grabbing white women to bring a new life in the decadent Europe. If you don&#039;t like the image, the Russians loved it and they proved it in Germany. The French rightist should contemplate these two things carefully if they are sincere about this.
 
Russians want an Imperium on their own terms, not French or English or American terms, nor rational and moral terms. It is beneath them to accept anything else unless forced.

The Russians think about themselves as the third Rome, as the rightful heirs of the Roman and Byzantine empires (not in terms of culture but in terms of land). And this Imperium idea serves only Russians imperialists and no one else, not even the Russian people. But try to tell them that they are not the third Rome and are not entitled to occupy Europe (all of it, half of it, or any part of it when convenient). They can ask Finland, as they did, to cede 30% of its territory in order to protect Leningrad. This is the reality of a Euro-Asian Imperium. 

Don&#039;t joke about serious matters. And don&#039;t think that Russians are simpletons waiting for some Westerner to tell them what to do.

Anti-liberalism is one thing, Russian imperialist propaganda is certainly another. In my opinion this kind of ideology does not weaken liberalism but makes it an acceptable option against something much worse. In fact, this kind of propaganda gave birth to liberalism rather than the reverse.

Do you want a real knight and martyr? Try Codreanu.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Designing a Euro-Asian Imperium without asking the Russians about it means two possibilities: stupidity or Russian propaganda. </p>
<p>Stupidity doesn&#8217;t explain everything, but this game (let&#8217;s have the advocates of &#8220;Russian imperialism&#8221; and &#8220;liberalism&#8221; fight for the allegiance of the French people) is just stupid. Yockey, great writer, but incurable romantic. Jean Parvulesco is a Romanian (in fact Pârvulescu) and a mystery for me at this moment. Especially given that the Euro-Asian Imperium is suicidal for Romanians, and not only for them.</p>
<p>In Russian terms the Euro-Asian Imperium is just another term for their pan-Slavist ideology. Translated into Romanian, this means only deportation to Siberia or famine, as happened to so many Romanians in occupied Moldavia. Not only by Bolsheviks, Leninists, or Stalinists. The Tsars were equally inclined to the mass murder and deportation of Romanians. They did the same to their Slavic brothers the Ukrainians and Poles, and to any other people they occupied.</p>
<p>The French people that believe such pieces of propaganda should read some Mayakovsky &#8220;poetry.&#8221; They will find some interesting pieces about tough Russians grabbing white women to bring a new life in the decadent Europe. If you don&#8217;t like the image, the Russians loved it and they proved it in Germany. The French rightist should contemplate these two things carefully if they are sincere about this.</p>
<p>Russians want an Imperium on their own terms, not French or English or American terms, nor rational and moral terms. It is beneath them to accept anything else unless forced.</p>
<p>The Russians think about themselves as the third Rome, as the rightful heirs of the Roman and Byzantine empires (not in terms of culture but in terms of land). And this Imperium idea serves only Russians imperialists and no one else, not even the Russian people. But try to tell them that they are not the third Rome and are not entitled to occupy Europe (all of it, half of it, or any part of it when convenient). They can ask Finland, as they did, to cede 30% of its territory in order to protect Leningrad. This is the reality of a Euro-Asian Imperium. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t joke about serious matters. And don&#8217;t think that Russians are simpletons waiting for some Westerner to tell them what to do.</p>
<p>Anti-liberalism is one thing, Russian imperialist propaganda is certainly another. In my opinion this kind of ideology does not weaken liberalism but makes it an acceptable option against something much worse. In fact, this kind of propaganda gave birth to liberalism rather than the reverse.</p>
<p>Do you want a real knight and martyr? Try Codreanu.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael O'Meara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael O'Meara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 00:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charles,

Let me venture a response.

The Traditionalist that most far-rightists admire is less Guenon than Evola, who was an &quot;Aryan&quot; in the highest sense. You can&#039;t, however, understand Evola&#039;s Traditionalism without understanding all he took from Guenon.

I too object to both the cultural and political implications of Guenon&#039;s work.  Nevertheless I have read him with great profit. &lt;em&gt; The Reign of Quantity&lt;/em&gt; is a great book -- great in demolishing the philosophical foundations of modern liberal thought. You can accept the brilliance of his critique without accepting the political interpretation he makes of it.

Some European far-rightists go even further than you mention -- rejecting not just the notion of a European imperium, but embracing Islam, which to me as an apostasy of another sort.

In general, Guenon&#039;s Traditionalism is a rich source of anti-liberalism -- not my kind of anti-liberalism, but nevertheless one from we can learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charles,</p>
<p>Let me venture a response.</p>
<p>The Traditionalist that most far-rightists admire is less Guenon than Evola, who was an &#8220;Aryan&#8221; in the highest sense. You can&#8217;t, however, understand Evola&#8217;s Traditionalism without understanding all he took from Guenon.</p>
<p>I too object to both the cultural and political implications of Guenon&#8217;s work.  Nevertheless I have read him with great profit. <em> The Reign of Quantity</em> is a great book &#8212; great in demolishing the philosophical foundations of modern liberal thought. You can accept the brilliance of his critique without accepting the political interpretation he makes of it.</p>
<p>Some European far-rightists go even further than you mention &#8212; rejecting not just the notion of a European imperium, but embracing Islam, which to me as an apostasy of another sort.</p>
<p>In general, Guenon&#8217;s Traditionalism is a rich source of anti-liberalism &#8212; not my kind of anti-liberalism, but nevertheless one from we can learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Upton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles Upton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 14:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why these European extreme rightists so ofted claim the totally apolitical (at least in his maturity) Rene Guenon as a forebear puzzles me.  In THE REIGN OF QUANTITY AND THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES (1950?) he speaks of a reconstituted &quot;Holy Empire&quot; as the regime of Antichrist -- why do so few of his &quot;followers&quot; seem to know this? Have they never read him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why these European extreme rightists so ofted claim the totally apolitical (at least in his maturity) Rene Guenon as a forebear puzzles me.  In THE REIGN OF QUANTITY AND THE SIGNS OF THE TIMES (1950?) he speaks of a reconstituted &#8220;Holy Empire&#8221; as the regime of Antichrist &#8212; why do so few of his &#8220;followers&#8221; seem to know this? Have they never read him?</p>
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