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		<title>By: MOB</title>
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		<description>Steven Romer wrote:  &quot;I thought it was interesting she immediately saw emotional and power structure as important, as if looking through the world with a different set of glasses. We tend to see people as conduits of objective information, or combatants for it ­ all on the same team though. We need to keep in mind as the Jews maneuver for world hegemony that this is how they see the world, and project this raw skeleton of power relationships on everything. We definitely do not tend to see it that way. Truth matters more than position or power. Power is not an end to us, but rather a means and scaffolding to other things (like even more powerful and sustaining objective truth) when the right people have power. We don’t even think about the power aspects, or even LIKE it if they are demonstrably superior. &quot;
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I would have to be excluded from the &quot;we&quot; as described above.  I very definitely see emotional and power structure and process within all social relationships and entities.   I also would dismiss the idea that truth matters more than position or power; I would see power as the goal and &quot;truth&quot; and means as the particular interpretations and behaviors selected, sometimes consciously but more frequently so automatic as to be unconscious, in accordance with invisible operating systems with unwritten, unacknowledged rules that are nevertheless clearly understood by all within that system.  I have gone so far as to consider that all social transactions could possibly be expressed mathematically.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steven Romer wrote:  &#8220;I thought it was interesting she immediately saw emotional and power structure as important, as if looking through the world with a different set of glasses. We tend to see people as conduits of objective information, or combatants for it ­ all on the same team though. We need to keep in mind as the Jews maneuver for world hegemony that this is how they see the world, and project this raw skeleton of power relationships on everything. We definitely do not tend to see it that way. Truth matters more than position or power. Power is not an end to us, but rather a means and scaffolding to other things (like even more powerful and sustaining objective truth) when the right people have power. We don’t even think about the power aspects, or even LIKE it if they are demonstrably superior. &#8221;<br />
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<p>I would have to be excluded from the &#8220;we&#8221; as described above.  I very definitely see emotional and power structure and process within all social relationships and entities.   I also would dismiss the idea that truth matters more than position or power; I would see power as the goal and &#8220;truth&#8221; and means as the particular interpretations and behaviors selected, sometimes consciously but more frequently so automatic as to be unconscious, in accordance with invisible operating systems with unwritten, unacknowledged rules that are nevertheless clearly understood by all within that system.  I have gone so far as to consider that all social transactions could possibly be expressed mathematically.</p>
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		<title>By: F. Roger Devlin</title>
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		<description>I believe Spectator is correct: &quot;...and reasons of race and religion combine to make any large number of free-thinking Jews undesirable.&quot; T. S. Eliot, &lt;em&gt;After Strange Gods&lt;/em&gt; (1934). Eliot was speaking of the cultural benefits of social homogeneity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Spectator is correct: &#8220;&#8230;and reasons of race and religion combine to make any large number of free-thinking Jews undesirable.&#8221; T. S. Eliot, <em>After Strange Gods</em> (1934). Eliot was speaking of the cultural benefits of social homogeneity.</p>
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		<title>By: Spectator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spectator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In 1934 he famously remarked that “Any large number of free-thinking Jews” is incompatible with the flourishing of a Christian tradition.&quot;

I would like some citation here--I believe in this instance you are confusing Lewis with another notable Anglo-Catholic conservative genius, T. S. Eliot, who made such a remark (for which the &lt;em&gt;Commentary &lt;/em&gt;crowd never forgave him) in the &#039;30&#039;s.

&quot;Brass meets gold.&quot;  This hits the nail on the head.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In 1934 he famously remarked that “Any large number of free-thinking Jews” is incompatible with the flourishing of a Christian tradition.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would like some citation here&#8211;I believe in this instance you are confusing Lewis with another notable Anglo-Catholic conservative genius, T. S. Eliot, who made such a remark (for which the <em>Commentary </em>crowd never forgave him) in the &#8217;30&#8242;s.</p>
<p>&#8220;Brass meets gold.&#8221;  This hits the nail on the head.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven E. Romer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven E. Romer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it was interesting she immediately saw emotional and power structure as important, as if looking through the world with a different set of glasses. We tend to see people as conduits of objective information, or combatants for it -- all on the same team though. We need to keep in mind as the Jews maneuver for world hegemony that this is how they see the world, and project this raw skeleton of power relationships on everything. We definitely do not tend to see it that way. Truth matters more than position or power. Power is not an end to us, but rather a means and scaffolding to other things (like even more powerful and sustaining objective truth) when the right people have power. We don&#039;t even think about the power aspects, or even LIKE it if they are demonstrably superior. 

Of course, other races see differently too. With blacks, they tend to see everything much more materialistically. they love signs of wealth and status above all. They will get into deadly conflicts over things we would not think of doing so over.

One of the most interesting things about different ethnic groups is how differently they see or interpret social situations or even facial expressions -- as recent research shows oriental people do. I think that if you accumulate enough research in this regard, and collect what is out there into a whole, we should see reflections of each groups dominant pattern of social and philosophical coping with the world. Each little difference in view, the shape of the bell curve -- ours being more spread out, etc. alone does not tell us that much but combined with other differences can tell us a lot more.

I think this movie, and the review,  points up the importance of seeing the differences in patterns between peoples that indicate our &quot;invisible phenotype&quot; which stretches through time and is a sort of racial personality which gives rise to many different aspects of our particular cultures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it was interesting she immediately saw emotional and power structure as important, as if looking through the world with a different set of glasses. We tend to see people as conduits of objective information, or combatants for it &#8212; all on the same team though. We need to keep in mind as the Jews maneuver for world hegemony that this is how they see the world, and project this raw skeleton of power relationships on everything. We definitely do not tend to see it that way. Truth matters more than position or power. Power is not an end to us, but rather a means and scaffolding to other things (like even more powerful and sustaining objective truth) when the right people have power. We don&#8217;t even think about the power aspects, or even LIKE it if they are demonstrably superior. </p>
<p>Of course, other races see differently too. With blacks, they tend to see everything much more materialistically. they love signs of wealth and status above all. They will get into deadly conflicts over things we would not think of doing so over.</p>
<p>One of the most interesting things about different ethnic groups is how differently they see or interpret social situations or even facial expressions &#8212; as recent research shows oriental people do. I think that if you accumulate enough research in this regard, and collect what is out there into a whole, we should see reflections of each groups dominant pattern of social and philosophical coping with the world. Each little difference in view, the shape of the bell curve &#8212; ours being more spread out, etc. alone does not tell us that much but combined with other differences can tell us a lot more.</p>
<p>I think this movie, and the review,  points up the importance of seeing the differences in patterns between peoples that indicate our &#8220;invisible phenotype&#8221; which stretches through time and is a sort of racial personality which gives rise to many different aspects of our particular cultures.</p>
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		<title>By: Dedalus</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/shadowlands/comment-page-1/#comment-4484</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedalus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 05:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would have been great if Anthony Hopkins broke character after her diatribe long enough to say, &quot;Look honey, ridicule isn&#039;t an argument, it&#039;s an attitude.  And exactly how long have you been under the delusion that I need your approval?&quot;

They could have ended it with that line and then rolled the credits.  

I have to say though, that I saw some of this movie with a lady friend while on a long distance bus ride.  We couldn&#039;t get through the whole thing because for me it was upsetting and for her it was just boring.
When I explained to her why it was upsetting she could see my point. I then asked her what she thought, and she said, &quot;I thought the point of the movie was to make the girl look like an obnoxious idiot.  He was polite and she was annoying.&quot;

I wanted to hug her. 

The point is, most people don&#039;t look into things the way we do and it&#039;s sometimes refreshing to hear their reactions. They might not be able to analyze it from the perspective of Jewish mind-control, etc. but their, as Hemingway may have put it, &quot;Built-in shit detector&quot; works just fine.  Their intuition tells them &quot;I am being preached at, and I don&#039;t like it.&quot;

When I meet people like that they seem to appreciate the analysis, and I am grateful for their gut response.   This could very well be the model for how we communicate to, and with, a larger group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would have been great if Anthony Hopkins broke character after her diatribe long enough to say, &#8220;Look honey, ridicule isn&#8217;t an argument, it&#8217;s an attitude.  And exactly how long have you been under the delusion that I need your approval?&#8221;</p>
<p>They could have ended it with that line and then rolled the credits.  </p>
<p>I have to say though, that I saw some of this movie with a lady friend while on a long distance bus ride.  We couldn&#8217;t get through the whole thing because for me it was upsetting and for her it was just boring.<br />
When I explained to her why it was upsetting she could see my point. I then asked her what she thought, and she said, &#8220;I thought the point of the movie was to make the girl look like an obnoxious idiot.  He was polite and she was annoying.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wanted to hug her. </p>
<p>The point is, most people don&#8217;t look into things the way we do and it&#8217;s sometimes refreshing to hear their reactions. They might not be able to analyze it from the perspective of Jewish mind-control, etc. but their, as Hemingway may have put it, &#8220;Built-in shit detector&#8221; works just fine.  Their intuition tells them &#8220;I am being preached at, and I don&#8217;t like it.&#8221;</p>
<p>When I meet people like that they seem to appreciate the analysis, and I am grateful for their gut response.   This could very well be the model for how we communicate to, and with, a larger group.</p>
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