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		<title>By: Edgardus de la Vega</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edgardus de la Vega</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 06:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve often pondered about how we as European-Americans could have been at the helm of a &#039;new, Christian Greece&#039; led by the tempered and spirited guidance of the Founding Fathers.

Note: yes, I know... the Founding Fathers were mainly Deists, and such ideals may have been too lofty.

Well... such a hierarchical, &#039;Hellenic&#039; spirit is no more given our egalitarian, fiat-based system (now imploding). It now seems to me only a new, founding system can lead us out of this dystopian/dysgenic chaos via secession.

Once we secede from this putrid system: a new, &#039;Hellenic beginning&#039; may once again come into view. Deracinated Whites Need Not Apply; stay with your mestizo system and society.

What other choice is there? America has effectively become a wretched, and most raceless &#039;managerial/institutional&#039; state against our majority demographic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve often pondered about how we as European-Americans could have been at the helm of a &#8216;new, Christian Greece&#8217; led by the tempered and spirited guidance of the Founding Fathers.</p>
<p>Note: yes, I know&#8230; the Founding Fathers were mainly Deists, and such ideals may have been too lofty.</p>
<p>Well&#8230; such a hierarchical, &#8216;Hellenic&#8217; spirit is no more given our egalitarian, fiat-based system (now imploding). It now seems to me only a new, founding system can lead us out of this dystopian/dysgenic chaos via secession.</p>
<p>Once we secede from this putrid system: a new, &#8216;Hellenic beginning&#8217; may once again come into view. Deracinated Whites Need Not Apply; stay with your mestizo system and society.</p>
<p>What other choice is there? America has effectively become a wretched, and most raceless &#8216;managerial/institutional&#8217; state against our majority demographic.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 04:20:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For anybody who thinks the Tea Party movement holds any hope for white nationalism, just read the following article written by Tea Party idiot and former SNL comedian Victoria Jackson.  She actually gloats about how her daughter is flirting with a black guy.  These people are HOPELESS.

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/vjackson/2010/04/25/i-met-sarah-palin/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For anybody who thinks the Tea Party movement holds any hope for white nationalism, just read the following article written by Tea Party idiot and former SNL comedian Victoria Jackson.  She actually gloats about how her daughter is flirting with a black guy.  These people are HOPELESS.</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/vjackson/2010/04/25/i-met-sarah-palin/" rel="nofollow">http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/vjackson/2010/04/25/i-met-sarah-palin/</a></p>
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		<title>By: GT</title>
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		<dc:creator>GT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“One can imagine a Southern secession movement or a Northwest Homeland crushed by Red, White, and Blue waving conservatives who think they are fighting for God and Country when they are really fighting for Goldman Sachs and Lady Gaga.”

It is also easy to see 90% of so-called “White nationalists” siding with those flag-waving morons in crushing a secessionist movement out of fear of economic loss, or jealousy and spite if nothing else; that is, until one realizes that economic, political, and social independence are local phenomena having nation- and global-wide ramifications through collaboration and cooperation.  In other words, The Northwest Homeland project could not succeed without the socioeconomic collaboration and cooperation of several tens or hundreds of thousands of other informal, miniature, quasi-independent communities across North America’s rural landscape and suburban fringe.  If that were to occur, well, the scenario changes altogether.

We must “Think *ORION, Act Locally.”

*Our Race Is Our Nation

Furthermore, rather than waste time promoting attitudes and programs designed to appeal to everyone, we must realize that there are – in the words of Cool Hand Luke – “Some men you just can’t reach.”  White nationalists included.

“Occidental Dissent’s posts on Hitler and esoteric National Socialism and various movement dramas are all very well.  However, we need to start thinking realistically, practically, and politically about how to reach our noble, naive, and so easily abused white American folk.”

Thinking realistically and practically about the problem leads us to the realization that the political is local, social and economic.  No WN political candidate for office at any level, anywhere, stands a chance of enjoying long-term success with locally accessible socioeconomic alternatives in place. 

We cannot “fight the system” upon which we are dependent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“One can imagine a Southern secession movement or a Northwest Homeland crushed by Red, White, and Blue waving conservatives who think they are fighting for God and Country when they are really fighting for Goldman Sachs and Lady Gaga.”</p>
<p>It is also easy to see 90% of so-called “White nationalists” siding with those flag-waving morons in crushing a secessionist movement out of fear of economic loss, or jealousy and spite if nothing else; that is, until one realizes that economic, political, and social independence are local phenomena having nation- and global-wide ramifications through collaboration and cooperation.  In other words, The Northwest Homeland project could not succeed without the socioeconomic collaboration and cooperation of several tens or hundreds of thousands of other informal, miniature, quasi-independent communities across North America’s rural landscape and suburban fringe.  If that were to occur, well, the scenario changes altogether.</p>
<p>We must “Think *ORION, Act Locally.”</p>
<p>*Our Race Is Our Nation</p>
<p>Furthermore, rather than waste time promoting attitudes and programs designed to appeal to everyone, we must realize that there are – in the words of Cool Hand Luke – “Some men you just can’t reach.”  White nationalists included.</p>
<p>“Occidental Dissent’s posts on Hitler and esoteric National Socialism and various movement dramas are all very well.  However, we need to start thinking realistically, practically, and politically about how to reach our noble, naive, and so easily abused white American folk.”</p>
<p>Thinking realistically and practically about the problem leads us to the realization that the political is local, social and economic.  No WN political candidate for office at any level, anywhere, stands a chance of enjoying long-term success with locally accessible socioeconomic alternatives in place. </p>
<p>We cannot “fight the system” upon which we are dependent.</p>
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		<title>By: Simmons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simmons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 00:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well said as we learn how to deconstruct the taboos placed on us by the &quot;evil doers&quot; who gleefully anticipate our genocide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well said as we learn how to deconstruct the taboos placed on us by the &#8220;evil doers&#8221; who gleefully anticipate our genocide.</p>
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		<title>By: Chechar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chechar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ “One of the major disadvantages American white nationalists face is that American nationality can plausibly be separated from white racial identity.  This is a huge difference compared to the European situation.”

Not so huge... In &lt;a href=&quot;http://caesartort.blogspot.com/2010/03/city-upon-hill-1580-1750.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;my blog&lt;/a&gt; I used Paul Johnson’s &lt;em&gt;A History of the American People &lt;/em&gt;to talk about a numinous revelation (“women like Éowyn, the blond we all saw in the film with Edoras the capital of Rohan in the background…”) that the white nationalists still have to discover. However, in this post I would like to mention what I found most interesting of Johnson’s study.

Franklin for one was such a Cassandra that he manifested serious concerns that the English character of the new America could dilute in the future because of non-Caucasian immigration. This explains his opposition to bringing black slaves into American soil. Franklin even asked the rhetorical question of why, having so fair an opportunity, not excluding all blacks and tawnys to increase the lovely white? “I could wish their Numbers were increased,” wrote the founding father. Obviously, neither Indians nor blacks had the right to vote in Franklin’s day.

Even after the war that tore America apart Lincoln would say that he and his people didn’t approve that blacks continued to live in America. If for secession deep motivation is paramount, it is worth noting that in the chapter about 1815-1850 Johnson claims that only because the peoples who moved to Utah were religiously motivated could the construction of the new nation in the West became possible. Ironically, it was precisely during those years when the Christian morality rebelled against slavery, just as the First Great Awakening had meant the death sentence for British colonialism. (Since the jews were involved in neither, this little piece of info gives plausibility to my view that something else, a “monster from the Id,” escapes MacDonald’s otherwise magnificent and explanatory model.)

On a lesser note, a passage I liked of &lt;em&gt;A History of the American People&lt;/em&gt; is a Kendall communication to Andrew Jackson telling him that someday Anglo-Saxons will be majority in Mexico, and that this would improve that country (long before reading it I dared to say something similar—in Mexico!). Another gracious vignette are General Scott’s words after the marines raised the American flag in 1847 for the first time “from the Halls of Montezuma.” This is of course the diametrically opposite of what is happening today in California.

Johnson’s book is far from perfect. But if reversal is possible whites should take heed of history and how the original Americans were tacitly, and sometimes overtly nationalists in an ethnic sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ “One of the major disadvantages American white nationalists face is that American nationality can plausibly be separated from white racial identity.  This is a huge difference compared to the European situation.”</p>
<p>Not so huge&#8230; In <a target="_blank" href="http://caesartort.blogspot.com/2010/03/city-upon-hill-1580-1750.html" rel="nofollow">my blog</a> I used Paul Johnson’s <em>A History of the American People </em>to talk about a numinous revelation (“women like Éowyn, the blond we all saw in the film with Edoras the capital of Rohan in the background…”) that the white nationalists still have to discover. However, in this post I would like to mention what I found most interesting of Johnson’s study.</p>
<p>Franklin for one was such a Cassandra that he manifested serious concerns that the English character of the new America could dilute in the future because of non-Caucasian immigration. This explains his opposition to bringing black slaves into American soil. Franklin even asked the rhetorical question of why, having so fair an opportunity, not excluding all blacks and tawnys to increase the lovely white? “I could wish their Numbers were increased,” wrote the founding father. Obviously, neither Indians nor blacks had the right to vote in Franklin’s day.</p>
<p>Even after the war that tore America apart Lincoln would say that he and his people didn’t approve that blacks continued to live in America. If for secession deep motivation is paramount, it is worth noting that in the chapter about 1815-1850 Johnson claims that only because the peoples who moved to Utah were religiously motivated could the construction of the new nation in the West became possible. Ironically, it was precisely during those years when the Christian morality rebelled against slavery, just as the First Great Awakening had meant the death sentence for British colonialism. (Since the jews were involved in neither, this little piece of info gives plausibility to my view that something else, a “monster from the Id,” escapes MacDonald’s otherwise magnificent and explanatory model.)</p>
<p>On a lesser note, a passage I liked of <em>A History of the American People</em> is a Kendall communication to Andrew Jackson telling him that someday Anglo-Saxons will be majority in Mexico, and that this would improve that country (long before reading it I dared to say something similar—in Mexico!). Another gracious vignette are General Scott’s words after the marines raised the American flag in 1847 for the first time “from the Halls of Montezuma.” This is of course the diametrically opposite of what is happening today in California.</p>
<p>Johnson’s book is far from perfect. But if reversal is possible whites should take heed of history and how the original Americans were tacitly, and sometimes overtly nationalists in an ethnic sense.</p>
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