As is clear in my article, I don’t buy into the full Spenglerian mindset. I agree more with Oliver here. Just because someone writes someone – whether that “someone” is Spengler, or Oliver, or Yockey, or Ted Sallis, or Jack Warr – doesn’t make it correct. All ideas have to be evaluated on their own merits.

It’s not possible to create a ready-made High Culture and impose it on a people. However, I believe it IS possible to guide the direction of a new High Culture. If one want to dismiss this as Faustian “imperative moralism” then they can do so.

The problem is when Spenglerism descends into crackpot Freudianism, in which opponents of Freudianism always can be dismissed using the language of Freudianism – they have inner repressed desires, don’t you know.

I’m not a Spenglerite. I’m not a Yockeyite, and I ‘m not a Salterite either. I have my own ideas that one can accept or reject based on their merits. I’d advise one though to use their own brain to make these judgments, and not rely on the ghost of Spengler as some sort of oracle.

Is it possible Spengler was wrong? Maybe I’m wrong too. Time will tell. But rigidity of thought and blind acceptance of dogma will get is nowhere.

And, snide use of scare quotes typifies an unhelpful critic that has nothing useful to contribute.

“culture (distinct from CIVILIZATION in its Spenglerian conception…).”

Yes, we know the difference.

“If any new culture does arise on “american” or “european” soil (as currently classified) it will have to do so entirely unconsciously. ”

Do you know how to read? The “thought” in the article openly states:
“As indicated above, of course a High Culture is an organic phenomenon that cannot be created in a pre-planned form and artificially imposed on a people. ”

I’m talking about guidance.

“… he secretly knows that the actual goal will never be reached”. Indeed. Have you actually read his books, I wonder…?

Yes. Have you actually read my article, I wonder?

If any new culture does arise on “american” or “european” soil (as currently classified) it will have to do so entirely unconsciously. This won’t properly be codified until itself it reaches full “fruition”.

“… he secretly knows that the actual goal will never be reached”. Indeed. Have you actually read his books, I wonder…?

Here at World Spinner we are debating the same thing……

The where would be in small communities, at a City-State level. I am slowly becoming a believer in what I call PolisCracy. Because of the diversity in ethnicity, culture, and ethics the City-State system will be the only one that will eventually work. Each community can come up with their own system, practice their own faith, create their own culture, enforce their own laws.

The what will depend on the City-State or community one is associated with.
But if we are looking for a non-Judea-Christian, non-Pagan belief system, I suggest Thelema, or one of its fellow travelers. The Thelemic idea basically is that we each have a Higher Self that we are pursuing and through ritual and right living one eventually attains that Higher Self. It isn’t Pagan really and it isn’t Semetic, it is a third way of approaching the Deity within.

Q.

Having said that, I agree wholeheartedly with his assertion that the Judeo-Christian worldview, a view alien to us as a people, has been the foundational weakness of the “tragic” Faustian civilization. I do take issue with his characterization of paganism. I quote:

“…I do not see a revival of ancient pagan gods as a forward-thinking improvement over the decay of Faustianism. Replacing Jesus with Thor, in my mind, simply replaces one fantasy-crutch with another.”

Alain de Benoist makes the point that the “Gods” of the ancient pagan world of the Indo-European, functioned less as objective objects of worship, and certainly not to “bend the knee” in grovelling supplication so characteristic of the Levantine faiths, but were rather seen as higher aspects of themselves. The Gods were the eternal paragons of the virtues that our ancestors held sacred: Honor, courage, fealty, generosity. The closer one came to realizing these virtues within oneself, the closer one came to the Gods. It may be less important to resurrect Wotan-worship than to cultivate the spiritual sensibility that saw the natural world as a place of myriad wonder and joy (and also tragedy) that informed the pagan world-view. I think it would be a mistake to characterize that world-view as a “fantasy-crutch.” Thank you for an enlightening article.

However, agreed, such things need to be discussed, if the seed planting and guidance aspects of that development are to occur. This cannot be a public forum “blog” discussion, with its attendant semi-retarded comments threads, but a long term project birthed in niches that can allow seeds to sprout without being trampled underfoot by the usual “movement” stupidity and (typically obvious) trolling.

One major objective of the essay was to put forth the Idea, so as to get the proper individuals motivated to start the process.

As Michael O’Meara stated on April, 7th, this is a breakthrough article. How could I say it any better? No need to try. And yet I want more. I have questions. I have ideas. I have a need to read more about what an Overman High Culture would look like beyond the zeitgeist. Additional articles on this theme would be welcomed, but that’s not really what I have in mind.

What has quietly consumed my private musings for the past couple of weeks, or so, is the creation of an online forum dedicated to the ideas and ideals you’ve raised. I’m not talking abut establishing the foundation for some new “movement” or the likes. Rather, I’m interested in seeing a (cyber) space where people who are ready to move beyond a movement might come together to envision (in detail) what an Overman High Culture will look like.

Where would such a culture take root and grow? In the Pacific Northwest? In Eastern Europe? In small local communities networked through a federation? On an island purchased by wealthy benefactors? How would such a culture manage its practical affairs? Would it be a republic? A republic based on Plato’s model? Or a democratic republic? A kingdom? A dictatorship? What rights would be guaranteed in a constitution? What about conducting foreign affairs? What about (limited) immigration policies (if any)? What about recognition by sympathetic nations? What about defense from enemies? What about generating and maintaining vibrant agriculture and markets? What about trade? What about currencies? And (limited) taxes (if any)? What about educational curriculum(s)? What about addressing the needs (of some, or many) for mystical expression (not based on alien concepts)? What sort of name would suit the land and culture termed Overman?

These are topics that could be addressed at the end of this or any posted article. But I feel like an entire site devoted to such would be more productive. Again, I’m not calling for a new movement or a new party or a new cult anything remotely resembling anything of the sort. I’m interested in the Becoming aspect of the Overman High Culture (as in getting from Point A to Point B, that sort of thing).

Sooner or later (probably the former rather than the latter) the world as we know it will implode into the kind of chaos that engulfed Europe seventy years ago. The point of no return appears to have been passed. How the slow motion train wreck unfolds remains to be seen, but the writing is on the wall. That being said, your article is absolutely the brightest light I have seen in… honestly, I can’t recall. If anything, it inspires me, one man (a devoted husband and proud father of three) to imagine brighter days for my family, and for my people.

Even so, I have a sincere desire to see (possible) details of how an Overman High Culture will come into being. Yes, it’s the creative concept of Becoming that moves me to suggest (somebody) creating a format in which a greater Becoming might draw inspiration (I say might).

My email was submitted with this response. I welcome any positive replies from you and others who would like to discuss this matter further. Initial subjects might include whether or not to make the forum public, and/or how to prevent trolls and infiltrators from infecting the quality of content generated, and so forth.

Hmm… William Patrick Kinsella wrote a novel back in the 80’s called Shoeless Joe (which later became a film called Field of Dreams). There’s a famous line that just popped into my mind: BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME. At the risk of appearing to invoke some (unsolicited) mystical principle, there’s something about (metaphorically) cultivating the soil and planting seeds that lead to transforming possibilities into probabilities in regard to future growth and harvest. I’ve seen it in my own life. I trust most reading this have too. And I’m suggesting that by building a site for creative discourse, we can help to increase the probability of a future Overman High Culture becoming a reality (sooner, rather than later). Only one way to find out.

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I think this is to seriously misread the actual state of affairs.

Yes, in one sense an argument could be made that we’re not doing too well.
But they are hardly thriving.

Many Whites have actively enabled non-Whites, and out of some sense of moral superiority. Whites have enabled non-Whites with money, attention, praise, deserved or not, and usually not. At least nothing that measures up to so much of the hyperbole that came with the praise.

But if these claims that we’re dying are true then even our passing is a kind of enabling.
Meaning, they are not thriving, we are dying.
They are not doing well, we’re doing badly.
They are not growing, we’re degenerating.
etc, etc.

It’s true that with many of them they are simply too stupid to even know they are stupid, and too indifferent to care.

But boy are they united against us.

That, however, is nothing to base an organization upon, and these people are poised to inherit an entire civlization. It will be like passing a heavy, solid gold baton to an ill-mannered and overly-confident four year old.
They are going to grab it from us impatiently and run in all kinds of directions, run into a wall and blame us.

I don’t know if we’ll still be around when that happens and for that reason I am willing to at least take their threat to us seriously – which, naturally, we’re not allowed to do – but I will never take them seriously, at all. I’m simply too commited to reality, and they despise it.
They have a kind of adolescent, superstitious arrogance. Meaning, as a result of their addiction to themselves they actually think that if they don’t like something then that’s because it’s really no good. Not simply something that is “no good” because they don’t like it.
In short, they are children and, like children, can only see the world in relation to themselves.

When you ask a child to show you their right and left hand they can do it.
But when you hold out yours and ask them to show you your right and left hand they get it backwards, because they still see things in relation to themselves.

This is an accurate description of a lot of what passes for non-White thought today.

Their colletive hatred of reality is the key. This is the thought I would like to see burn in the hearts and minds of all White advocates with a gem-like flame.

They don’t just hate us, they hate reality.
So they are not going to manage themselves in it for long.

We should work tirelessly on an intellectual and spiritual level to point this out chapter and verse to anyone and everyone who will listen.

Maybe it will get a few of us to stop awfulizing to the point of discouraging those who might be popping in from time to time to see if we’re the real thing.

They deserve that we treat them with respect, that we serve as powers of example, and that we greet them like ladies and gentlemen.

If you want to call people over to your side you’ve got to make them want your life.

We shouldn’t just be concerned about our enemies, we should be concerned about praciting the virtues and demonstrating good manners.

In other words, High Cultures do not necessarily inevitably die, but can be reformed if the genetic potential of the population allows it. I agree with Romer as well that the Spengler-Yockey view of history as non-linear and non-progressive, was wrong. There are objective standards whereby we today are ahead of the past, and have built upon it. Not only in the obvious realms of science and technics, but also in our self-understanding. I cannot believe that a citizen of Rome, circa 360 AD, was sitting around pondering the end of their civilization and plans to build/rebuild a new one. The sheer knowledge base of modern Western civilization, coupled to our “Faustian” aspects, gives us a qualitatively different perspective of the possibilities than ever existed before.

However, this doesn’t materially change the point of the essay. Whether Classical-Faustian-Overman are three completely distinct High Cultures, or whether they are (or, will be, for the third) different incarnations of the same Western paradigm doesn’t alter the fact that the Faustian is exhausted and needs to be replaced. And, that, it needs to be replaced by something that doesn’t a priori limit the aspirations and accomplishments of Western Man through the imposition of an alien mindset.

Of course, as I make clear, the short-term and medium-term priorities now are that of racial preservation, and to conserve as much of the positive, and unabashedly “Western” aspects of the Faustian culture, as is possible.

And, yes, that means excluding known destroyers from the rebuilding of the West.

To me, civilizations capture a divine spirit, they are striving for something greater, some great destiny. When the genetic forces and types rise ebb and flow in civilizations, those civilizations are led upward and downward. If we let the corrupt and untruthful rise to become the epitome of their pattern, we get Jews. If we let the violent, corrupt and impulsive rise to the epitome of their pattern, we get blacks. If we let simple complexity, social patterning, peer-pressures, and solidarity and pleasure rise to it’s epitome, we get the Asian races. It is always an internal war of different characters and personalities. Our civilizations have these elements and hurdles within them, but we have been able to hold it together on the right path anyway because our higher aspirations and work ethic and love of truth was stronger. Witness the Jewish mindset compared to the European. We ARE being destroyed by the Jewish mindset in concert with our worst, most selfish and corrupt minds. Left alone by Jews, this would not be happening. Since we have complete morons and stage actors instead of real leaders in office today, and Jews behind the scenes creating their playing field, we find ourselves on a downward path. These are easily discernible problems which we can detect and eventually solve.

Civilization will keep going upward as long as the see the spirit of a great destiny in their midst. That is the fuel that powers civilizations. The death of civilizations is not inevitable, and we need not lose our motivations and ascribe and inevitable death to them. What really matters DOES live forever in us. The soul that truly powers a civilization is eternal.

However, we need to get power and save ourselves QUICKLY from these teeming elements– not slow and ploddingly. We don’t have time right now because we are overrun and going extinct rapidly. Once we save ourselves, once we regain power, we can begin the relatively slower and multi-generational project of properly building and maintaining our human cathedral again. We have all the tools to do so now, so we will not fail and fall again like so many other civilizations before us. They were all experiments, launching first test rockets, then small animals, then monkeys, then US into space. It is the experiment that goes somewhere, not yockeyesque pointless seasons of life and death for no greater purpose. Human civilization IS our purpose.

We have been the ones to finally be worthy, we have been the ones to have what it takes to both see and do the right things. We have invented and discovered how everything works that is important for the future of civilization and mankind. We have science, evolution, sociobiology, economics, medicine, eugenics, genetics, and we are ready to launch. Problem is, Jewish saboteurs are at it again — as in previous civilizations. We have gathered everything we need–including all the memories and information for future generations to learn from. This is it. This is the final war and the final launch that will make all the massive use of resources and the suffering of all life through time worthwhile. Of course our current consumption levels cannot be sustained, this is actually a massive collective effort which we have been lately trained by the Jewish world-view to think is just pointless materialism and consumerism for its own sake. To other races with materialistic, pleasure-seeking, and power-hungry mindsets, that’s all it is!

We have a greater purpose. You don’t get any of that from Yockey or Spengler — and that is a pretty big omission. I talk about this too in my book: The Textbook of the Universe: The Genetic Ascent to God. There is a greater pattern to all life and to civilization itself that is an internal echo of the evolutionary process –capturing and reflecting the pattern of the life force itself. With civilization there is purpose, pure purpose towards something greater. Jews want us to ignore all that and see civilization like they do — as purely power and material-resource based. This is how they can destroy and loot whole countries like the oligarchs in Russia, or the wall-street corporate raiders destroying companies to line their pockets with the value in them — like murder and organ-theft on a grand scale. They are stealing and selling the organs of this great being, this living cathedral of culture. They are blind intellectually and emotionally to the larger purposes of civilizations. They would kill the bell-ringer of the Salvation Army and take his can of money–except that they are smart enough not to have to. They want the world, and they can get that from behind the scenes manipulations. Only their purposes in gaining wealth and power and world dominion count to them. The higher mind has somewhere along the line gone missing in them.

I think Spengler and Yockey completely miss the point in civilizations. They progress exactly like experiments with a grand theme in mind. Early civilizations were alchemy of THIS civilization — like foreshadowing in an epic novel. They lacked the ability, information, and drive to do what we have done today, but pointed the way through time. If you look back in time for an information-gathering pattern rather than a resource-gathering pattern, every organism on Earth was a foreshadowing of US. Now here we sit on the launch pad — beset on all sides by the hordes who do not want to be left behind now, who made bad decisions in the past-bad decisions which scarred and shaped them into our adversaries now. Races are all about DECISIONS people have made in the past and are making NOW. We need to understand these things to save ourselves.

Thank you for those positive comments. I have a great respect for your work, so it is gratifying to me that you think highly of this essay.

I am hoping that these ideas can be followed through on in some appropriate forum. The “movement” in general likely will not be interested in this type of analysis, but the right people may well be so interested.

This is a breakthrough article.

After years of seeing the same old racialist and anti-Semitic arguments recycled in a thousand different variations and never a word about the great cultural-civilizational challenge facing us, I thought Americans would never “get it.”

Thank you for reviving my dimming hopes.

I’m presently offline and won’t be able to participate in the discussion. But I’m hoping your brilliant piece inspires others.

Morgan,
That is why I was careful to use the word “relatively” – compared to Hindu civilization.

Indeed, well said – what I mean is that white civilization has a plethora of rapidly aging male spinsters, of which I am one, who can impart wisdom, or at least doctrine. If the white population does not undergo demographic collapse, the propagation of tradition to whites will be my highest social duty.

Whites Unite: To me, Hindu civilization seems even more alien than Semitic or even East Asian civilization – alien not only to Christian civilization, but also alien to the relatively egalitarian societies of ancient pagan Europe

The original Aryan culture was quite different from the combination of Aryan and Dravidic cultures. You may also find great interest in the cultures of Babylon (which may have been partially or totally populated by blue-eyed whites) and Egypt (which was probably admixed with Negro stock). The ancient academic teachers such as Pythagoras were often very cross-cultural; non-academic teachers, such as Buddha (who probably had blue eyes) often had less interest in multi-cultural information swapping.

Morgan: Egalitarian is not the proper word to use when describing those societies. The classics would consider equal rights for all to be unjust. They saw that by nature some men are superior to others, and accordingly should be the rulers of others.

I think it may have been on this very website that I read an interesting interpretation of the maxim: Gnothi Seauton. It is normally translated “Know Thyself,” but allegedly it can be translated as “Know Who You Are,” or “Know Your Place.” If that is so, that might imply that one born with talent for fighting ought to be a fighter, and one born with talent for serving ought to be a servant.