Mar 14, 2010

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Considering Secession

Franz von Stuck, "Adam and Eve Expelled from Paradise"

Editor’s Note: The following essay will appear in TOQ, vol. 10, no. 2, Summer 2010, in the special issue on “Secession and Racial Nationalism.”

Secession is an idea whose time has not yet come. But it is rapidly approaching. The idea that whites should abandon attempts to “recapture” their government and secede from it instead, has been in the air for a long time. Global demographic developments, developments with which TOQ readers will be familiar and which require no elaboration here, indicate that secession is a viable option, some might say the only viable option, for the survival of white peoples. I choose the term “secession” here because “separatism,” which might include simply racial division within a nation state, would take the debate too far. Secession is always a desperate step, and many more secessionist initiatives in history have failed than succeeded. Arrogance and complacency in this debate are unwise. Here are what I consider the key factors to be considered and questions to be answered by anyone projecting the secession of a people.

(1) Historical precedents. Those attempting a perilous or challenging enterprise (and white racial secession would be fraught with peril wherever and whenever it took place) should consider past failures and successes. In forgoing all reference to the lessons of experience, most writers on the subject of white secessionism omit what every successful scientist, artist, or military leader undertakes prior to composing concrete plans, namely to study the past and learn from it.

(2) Seeking friends and allies. Both history and common sense should tell us that a secessionist rebellion will almost certainly fail without the support of friends or allies. I can think of no secessionist movement in history which succeeded without the helping hand of the well-wishers, at home and abroad, inside and outside government. Dictating terms in advance betrays weakness. To give just one example of such weakness, Richard McCulloch, in an essay published in TOQ entitled “Separate or Die,” provides a list of the territories which a successful white state will allocate to non-whites. The writer lays out in his essay “principles” as the writer calls them, of white secession. They read more like points in an ultimatum, the kind a winning party in a war might dictate to a beaten foe than as principles of any kind and include a listing of what territories white secessionists would allocate to non-whites. This is not politics, it is posturing.

(3) Economics. What secessionist movement in history has not been profoundly rooted in and driven by economic forces? Secessionism and economics go hand in hand. Not only is realistic secession from an established state only politically viable if it is also economically viable, history shows us that secessionist struggles are inspired to a great degree, sometimes almost entirely, by economic factors. An understanding of the economic options open to the seceding state should therefore be a requirement of any program which expects to be taken seriously, yet most contemporary writers on the subject of white secessionism hardly mention economics at all, an omission comparable to discussing a project to put people on Mars without considering the math.

Separatism would require a deal of hard work and a deal of preparation. Anyone entertaining such a step needs to be clear in their answers to four fundamental questions: Why? How? Where? When?

Why Secede?

For many the question “why?” is superfluous. They will answer with something similar to David Lane’s 14 word precept, “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.” For them the white ethnostate is a matter of racial survival, but this “racial survival” answer will only satisfy a minority of idealists. That said idealists fail to understand that simple fact explains much of their failure, past and present.

Racial survival is simply not a matter of concern to most whites. The ethnic state as such offers no attraction to the majority of whites for whom racial separation is not a priority or not even particularly desirable. At the same time, while not consciously in favor of separation, most whites are not consciously in favor of a multi-racial society either. Miscegenation does not arise out of demand or need but out of circumstances.

All else being equal, a white secessionist movement would receive little principled support from whites as a proposition but also receive little principled opposition. As Eckhart Tolle might say, it is the “power of now” which is at work here. This is the dilemma of all radical movements, a sort of Catch 22 situation. They will find more supporters and friends the more powerful and credible they become, but to become powerful and credible, they need friends. I do stress the word “principled” however. It is the support created out of tribulation and misery which the idealist leaders must rely on in to power a secessionist movement.

Secession is a geographical and economic declaration of identity which by its very nature requires at least the tacit approval of far more than the tiny number of the ideologically committed. I believe that the motivation to secede and the force that will drive people to it will be primarily economic, a matter of material survival. Irish nationalism was born of resentment at perceived injustice. Romantic attachment to a language or culture was provided by a small leadership. Had the British state behaved more sensitively, above all had its economic policies been different, Irish nationalism would have remained a minority’s romantic chimera. The Confederate States were declared in reaction to a perceived threat to a way of life and to certain “Southern rights,” and to be able to continue to lead that life free of outside interference and regulation.

We tend to overestimate the power of idealism in retrospect because it is the idealists who lead from the front and who write history. The plodding foot-soldier of secessionist struggles was acting for more mundane reasons: prosperity and prospects, security, fairness, freedom from hunger, dignity and something to pass on to succeeding generations. When a group, consciously as a group, sees no option but to break away in order to achieve these aims, because they cannot be achieved within the scope of the prevailing body politic, and when the group knows of a land where this can be realized, then and not before, a secessionist movement has been born.

This birth can only take place when personal economic circumstances are acute and when the prospects under the prevailing dispensation appear worse than the record of the past. When families cannot feed their children, when there are not hospitals or doctors available to help them, or they cannot afford such hospitals where they do exist, when they cannot provide for their children, or for their old age, then they will begin to look around for a flight from the old order and may even be prepared to fight to escape it.

For the first time in over half a century, there are signs of such dramatic economic deterioration. The past now looks better than the future. If this becomes a common perception, then the West will be entering an existential crisis, for Western and especially American awareness is an optimistic one at heart. When economic collapse no longer sounds like just another doomsday soapbox sermon but a reality, people will begin to look for alternatives. At the very least, governments are having to reassert more centralized economic authority, which will result in a reduction in the option for individuals of a quasi-economic autonomy within the state.

The mountains of debt which white majority run governments are piling up through borrowing to ward off the day of economic reckoning to a time beyond the span of any living politician’s political career and at the cost of future generations, provides chances to argue the economic case for secession. White secessionists will define themselves by refusing responsibility for debts incurred in the name of a government they do not recognize. A secessionist revolt will begin as the American Revolution began, as a tax revolt.

Most whites are not interested to be told that blacks have lower IQs than whites, and if it is true, so what? It is an entirely different ball game when a white is refused a job in favor of a black applicant in order to comply with racial quotas cooked up by a central government agency. Then the secessionist can proclaim: “Join us! In our state there will be choice by merit. There will be no racial quotas anyway because there will be no blacks to benefit from quotas in the first place.”

A declaration of independence is a secessionist declaration, and such declarations by their nature comprehend a declaration of a separate identity. Ethnicity will follow from autarchy, not the reverse. Why? Because we no longer trust central government, no longer want it and no longer need it. When hundreds of thousands start thinking and feeling in this way, secession is in the air, not before.

How to Secede?

Where geographical identity is easy to defend and “makes geographical sense” the chances of secessionist success are enhanced. The fact that Ireland is an island is hardly irrelevant if we ask ourselves why it successfully broke away from Westminster while Wales, Cornwall, and Scotland did not. Bangladesh began with the considerable advantage of being separated from West Pakistan by India, a nation well-disposed towards Bengali secessionism. West Pakistan and East Pakistan were united by religion (Islam), but their peoples were separated by culture, physical features, and 1000 miles of Indian territory. Perceived unfairness (under-representation) also played a significant motivating role: 56 percent of the population resided in East Pakistan, but the West held the lion’s share of political and economic power. Secessionism is not for the faint-hearted. The violence which followed in the wake of the declaration of independence by Bangladesh cost up to a million lives. The secessionist movement succeeded thanks to geography and the political support of a foreign power. The Confederacy was desperate for international recognition. Its failure to win this undoubtedly played a role in its downfall. The same was true of Biafra, which literally starved for lack of friends. How can a secessionist movement without friends hope to stand up against the onslaught of the state from which it is striving to break away?

Space does not permit to begin to examine all the aspects of the wherewithal of separation/secession. Furthermore, circumstances in the USA and Europe are very different. The United States is more monolithic and homogeneous than Europe, a fact which poses a serious obstacle to any attempt at secession. With their mostly weak sense of regional identity, North American whites are without one of the most compelling motivating forces that could detach them from loyalty to their nation, namely a competing geographical identity and home. The only serious secessionist movement to date in North America, the Confederate States of America, grew out of a very strong cultural and geographical identity. Such identity will need to be rediscovered and rediscovered fast.

“Home is wear you hang your hat” is an American proverb. Economically and culturally, the USA is still astonishingly homogeneous for its size, and that will be a great advantage for Washington if there is ever a secessionist challenge to be met.

Identity and economics are linked too. Secession can only take place in an area small enough to encompass a manageable revolt realistically but large enough for autarchy to be feasible. It is difficult to imagine how one is “separating” when one has no geographical point of repairment, identity, and history: Kurdistan, Quebec, Bangladesh all have such history and geographical identity. A white secessionist movement should take note.

From the point of view of secessionist prospects, the USA offers one significant advantage over other regions with (still) majority white populations. Secession in the USA would be a revolt against the jurisdiction and even name of the ruling nation state requiring a new start, a new flag, a new national identity. In Europe secessionist identity is muddled and obscured by loyalty an existing nation state. Cultural identity in Europe is to a significant extent associated with national identity, but breaking away from a venal government belongs to an American tradition. Secessionist rebellion is what created the United States in the first place. Stonewall Jackson called the decision by the Southern states seceded from the Union “the Second American Revolution.”

A new rebellion will be economic, by those convinced that they are better able to manage their own affairs without Washington’s help, Washington’s laws, and crucially, Washington’s taxes. To succeed in the US, secessionism must present the Federal government as a dangerous Leviathan whose embrace includes a fatal bad debt, a debt which secessionists refuse to pay because they refuse responsibility for it. This debt enslaves their children and their children’s children. To break away from the debt collector whites must secede. They should no longer care a great deal what course the rest of the United States is taking. They simply want out, and wanting out means taking up a new flag and regarding the flag of the US, regardless of who waives or hoists it, as the flag of a foreign power.

Whites in the US are probably deluding themselves if they think they can achieve secession alone and unaided. Secessionist movements need friends and allies. Very roughly these can be put into one of three groups: friendly outside nations, support or complaisance given from within the ruling state, and other secessionist movements. What friendly outside nations could a white secessionist movement hope to have? Perhaps one day Russia, if Russia emerges as the last white- ruled world power, but this is highly speculative.

An ally (not exactly a friend) closer to hand would be Mexico. It is no secret that Mexican governments are not averse to advancing the Mexican frontier well beyond the Rio Grande. White secessionists should have no quarrel with that. As Hispanics tighten their grip on the southern United States, white secessionists retreating from those areas would be objectively helping them. The quid pro quo would be a manifest lack of Mexican government concern, interest, or support for Mexicans living in the white secessionist area. The benefits accruing to both parties would be gains at the expense of the territorial integrity of an unloved, unwanted, and unneeded United States of America. If Mexico exercised her claim to a large part of the Southern USA at the same time as white separatists exercised a claim to a section of the North, the USA would be facing a double challenge, hopefully undermined from within by subversives supportive of the Mexican cause or the White cause or (why not?) both causes.

White secession without friends or allies could only take place, if at all, under sufferance with secessionists tolerated like the Amish, under sufferance. The preliminary steps of a secessionist struggle would be to focus on the given future secessionist area and encourage a movement towards those areas by those wishing to be part of it, at the same time entering into amicable relationships with those of all races also seeking the subversion or break up of the United States of America. Specifically, this means an increased involvement in state or regional politics and a withdrawal from national politics and considerations. Contact, assistance, and advice should be sought from all and any who have an interest in the break up of the North American monolith.

It is important that the white secessionist state offers an attractive alternative and is not seen as a flight into the hills. The failure of the Kurds to offer an attractive home base makes the Kurdish independence movements vulnerable to the tricks and blandishments of central authority. When the conservative Turkish president Recep Erdoggan promised greater autonomy to Kurdish regions, thousands turned away from the secessionist PKK to vote for Erdoggan’s AKP. Buying off a discontented group is an old trick, which is why secessionist movements need to offer attractive alternatives to the prevailing system at an early stage. As the British Independent newspaper noted many years ago about Welsh language campaigns, nothing would benefit the survival of the Welsh language more than its persecution because persecution would provoke a reaction in its favor. It is the same for any group: persecution heightens consciousness.

In Europe, white racial initiatives are only likely to succeed within small nations in revolt against perceived economic mismanagement at the center. This is and will continue to be the driving force of ethnic revolt in Europe, and it is no coincidence that racially conscious political parties tend to be much more successful in the small nations of Europe than in the large ones.

A white secessionist state anywhere in the world would be considered as a threat by centralist governments committed to the ideal of one world and their imposition of the New World Order. The only alternative to secession supported by a powerful outsider (as India was for Bangladesh) would be if many secessionist movements were moving in the same direction all over the world. If there is no friendly nation, if there is no support in government, if there are no comparable movements in revolt, if there are no well-disposed elements in government, a white separatist movement stands no chance of success.

After the collapse of Apartheid in South Africa, there were some attempts to set up a separate white ethnic state, but those involved in their racialist arrogance, considered it beneath them to seek an alliance with the one major group which was also hostile to the ANC order, the Zulus. There is no talk of a white secessionist state in South Africa today.

Secessionist movements can and should be choosy about whom to include within the boundaries of their new state, but they should have no scruples about who their friends or allies might be in the big wide world outside it. Whoever can help them on their way is very welcome, never mind their motives, their religion, or the color of their skin. This is Realpolitik, something sorely lacking among those writing about white secession. White secessionists should extend the hand of friendship to all those who also seek regional autarchy and be modest enough to learn from all those in struggle, those who have won and those who have lost in the past. Where did the Tamil Tigers go wrong in Ceylon? What can we learn from their mistakes? What can we learn from the Kurds? From the Irish? From the Bengalis?

Where to Secede?

All secessionist movements have a geographical point of reference, the core of their identity. The secessionist state, if it reaches the point that temporarily at least it has physically broken away, is to a very large extent defined in terms of its geographical location which quite literally provides it with an outline. This in its turn presupposes a sense of identity with a given region. To be successful and meaningful, a separatist entity must be economically autonomous, it must be viable.

In the world to come there is going to be a quasi-insatiable demand for raw materials, food, and clean water to sustain burgeoning populations. Nation states continue to deplete natural resources and have been complacent about growing populations, profligacy, and waste. Separation must include a high degree of self-sufficiency linked to friendship to chosen states, especially small newly secessionist ones of course, which have themselves gone their own way, out of the economic misery and desolation which the New World Order is creating, towards self-sufficiency and ecological husbandry. There must be a where, but it should present itself not theoretically but organically, as a place which is can be a home and which could be self-sufficient. In the USA this would presumably be in Alaska or somewhere in the North West or North East.

It should come as no surprise to see that historically, separatism tends to come to the fore when the economic prospects apart from the centralist state are better than those offered within it. Scottish nationalism received a great fillip with the discovery of North Sea Oil. Italian regionalism or “Padanian” nationalism, viz the political project of the Lega Norte in Italian politics, which is implicitly and at times explicitly racialist, owes its success and centers its program on the decentralization of Italy, especially fiscal decentralization, so that the North will not have to subsidize the inefficiency, crime, and corruption of the Meridione.

The argument that we are paying taxes for others to waste, the argument that central government is parasitic is far more persuasive for the vast majority of people than sinister revelations of conspiracies and “threats to white survival,” which sounds eccentric to most people if not outright cranky. But nobody finds it cranky to moan about wasted taxpayers’ money. The aim of secessionism is to galvanize that moaning and give it political voice. People know the government is draining them, living off them instead of for them. Telling the truth about taxes and not least hidden taxes, should be a consistent argument and cry of rebellion by every white secessionist movement. The propaganda aim is to make “financial corruption” and “central government” interchangeable terms. The time to preach that message is now. If the people consider change within the system as hopeless, they must begin to consider change beyond the system. The answer to the question of where will emerge; it is too early to pinpoint; it will create itself, but it can be said in answer-where the grumbles “you are wasting out money/we could do that better” has turned into a widespread call of desperation: “We are getting out of here. We are filing for divorce.”

When to Secede?

Put simply, when large numbers of potential secessionists feel themselves trapped like rats, when they see no alternative. Secession is a drastic step. It amounts to an admission of failure, a failure to be represented effectively, a failure to work together, a failure to live together. Most people who write about secession and the creation of a new ethnic state, talk of having lost control of the original nation state and not being able to recapture it.

The most important kind of loss of control is economic. While it is possible for alienated groups, especially in our post-modern world, to retreat into some kind of cultural niche, where loyalty to a specific tradition may be tolerated as a personal (market) choice, the wish to be economically self-sufficient will be perceived as an extremely serious threat to the political status quo. Economic independence can only be realized when a large number of people have answered Why? and How? and when the economic situation is such that the central state is no longer capable of assuring full economic security to a large and identifiable part of its population.

Recently someone asked in the wake of yet another crime where blacks targeted whites and the Federal authorities refused to treat the attacks as a hate crime, “If we whites have no government and laws to represent us and protect our livelihood, why do we even need the government to exist at all?” This is exactly the point. Whites need to learn, feel and strongly believe, they do not need their government at all, that they do not want their government, and that it is not their government.

The prerequisite for a successful secessionist movement is when a majority of the seceding people regard the government as unnecessary, unwelcome, in a word: foreign, when the head of state perceived as the leader of a foreign power. To see him/her as such demands a certain detachment bordering on indifference to the activities of that foreign power. Too much commentary and interest in the ruling elite paradoxically indicates that the secessionist mentality is underdeveloped. Interest should be focused on seeking ways to withdraw from the foreign power, and as nicely as possible but backed with an iron fist if need be, and hopefully accompanied by the good wishes of hundreds of thousands of others around the world, to serve notice on the multi-racial state: “This people will no longer be with you and will no longer be part of you. This people declares before Almighty God and all the peoples of the Earth its sacred, inalienable right to secede.”

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  1. While duly noting that secession would be economically triggered, we should not neglect the fact that most of the secessionist rumblings that one now hears are not conspicuously racial. Most of the current talk of secession is tacitly based on a multiracial standard of utility, even though multiracial secession would only recreate the problems that it is ostensibly intended to solve.

    For example, the emergent phenomenon known as Patriot radio, in seeking to maximize its audience and avoid government censure, mostly pretends that all races are in exactly the same ethical and economic boat, and that they would all secede together (if it comes to that) for exactly the same essential reason: taxation without representation, the laying off by government criminals of huge illegitimate financial obligations on the people in the form of taxes, and their cynical expectation that the public will continue to honor high-level criminal transactions which have transferred huge amounts of public property and infrastructure to conspicuously ethnic banking oligarchs and their preferred customers as “collateral” in return for what amounts to spontaneously created funny money.

    In reality, this situation disadvantages only Whites. So-called “minority” groups know very well that it works greatly in their favor, and neither they nor their White groupies will ever be anything but an impediment to Whites reclaiming their future.

    Even now, those who dare to mention that our economic woes are due to racial imbalances are marginalized by the vast majority of those who occupy the front lines in the secession controversy. This is not just a lack of racial consciousness on the part of Whites; it is a pathological denial of reality by Whites whose intellectual capacities are so limited, and whose ethical horizons are so constricted, that they would rather be genetically extinguished, would rather be enslaved and see their descendants surrender between one and two standard deviations of intelligence by miscegenation, than risk their own short-term prospects by standing up like decent men and women. They would rather continue to enjoy an illusory, feel-good alliance with non-Whites who can be expected, as secessionism gains momentum, to play both ends against the middle in return for a new round of undeserved advantages.

    If White secessionists have not succeeded in marginalizing such imbeciles by the time nip comes to tuck, we stand to achieve nothing but a gratuitous shrinkage of our territory and its implantation with the seeds of a whole new cycle of interracial parasitism. Left to its own devices, the secessionist movement will simply be commandeered by multi-racialists, who now comprise the majority of those who could be expected to befriend and support White secessionism.

    It is useless to gather illusory “friends and supporters” who have no intention of helping us solve our problem in a way that does not simply recreate it. This is very well understood by the ivy league-educated, mostly Jewish Machiavellis who populate government “think tanks”, advisory councils, and lobbies. Such people know very well that the best way to control the opposition is to lead it, and they are already attempting to do so with their usual deceptive tactics.

    This suggests that Whites focus a bit more negative attention on multicultural Patriot media figures, e.g., by calling into their talk shows and reasoning them toward the proper racialist perspective. Racialism should be gently, intelligently injected into any discussion on which it bears, preferably in a way that won’t cause the host to hang up like a PC automaton before the point has been made.

    Absent a means of injecting White interests into the MSM, White secessionists can focus on injecting them, however gently and obliquely, into the alternative media. That way, Whites can at least lower the probability that we will eventually find ourselves bargaining with a multiracial PC devil in return for duplicitous and counterproductive alliances that can only work against us.

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    seadragonconquerer said:

    Tony Glaister’s “Considering Secession” is a welcome bucket of realist cold water thrown in the face of AmRen-style “theoretical” essays like Richard McCulloch’s. Just not a big enough bucket. Glaister’s emphasis on geography and external support is particularly relevant. Consider “our” first secession: from the British Empire. It succeeded in large part because A.) we had the Atlantic Ocean between us and Britain and B.) because Britain was then involved in a global(ist) war vs. Spain and France for world hegemony. France, not “friendly” but opportunistic, provided the fleet that cut Cornwallis’ trans-Atlantic supply lines at Yorktown, enabling the decisive victory.

    Consider “our” second secession, the Confederacy. It failed partly because neither of these conditions obtained. Instead of geographic separation, close propinquity; and no external friends. Precisely these problems will confront any future WN secession attempt, and to the Nth degree.

    But there is another vital reason “Why the South Lost”: lack of aggression. The Confederates wanted “away” from the Federal regime, not “toward.” During the two years of the Civil War, when the South had qualitative military superiority and at least quantitative equivalence — witness Lee’s great series of DEFENSIVE victories during 1861-62 — the whole impetus was to break away, not overthrow the centralist regime. By the time Lee moved north — 1863, Gettysburg — it was all too late.

    So if WNs are going to succeed this time around, the first order of business must be to overthrow the globalist ZOG. That done, and it will take a bloody civil war to do it — a civil war that will in any case be imposed by the current ZOG when it attempts, after the coming economic crash, to impose martial law and gun confiscation — we can then see about a white ethnostate. It is, of course, precisely at this point that hard-right nationalists and WNs are going to part company.

    In this connection, I regard Glaister’s suggestion that Mexico be bought off by giving that rathole of a nation the American Southwest as tantamount to High Treason. Instead, hard-rightists intend to annex the Land of Bronfman, aka Canada, and attack and drive back Mexico. That’s how you build a new nation. Not by attempting to carve out a White Bantustan whose borders will shortly shrink, under external pressure, to the dimensions of a concentration camp.

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    Tom Jefferson said:

    “So if WNs are going to succeed this time around, the first order of business must be to overthrow the globalist ZOG. That done, and it will take a bloody civil war to do it — a civil war that will in any case be imposed by the current ZOG …”

    Overthrow ZOG? You mean cutting off its head and establishing ourselves as leaders? Not feasible.

    Undermining and encouraging a ZOG withdrawal is the first objective. We do that by encouraging the development of hundreds, then thousands of county-sized, socioeconomically-collaborating white “Bantustans” throughout the North America continent, each having local access to water, agriculturally favorable soil, and iron ore.

    “In this connection, I regard Glaister’s suggestion that Mexico be bought off by giving that rathole of a nation the American Southwest as tantamount to High Treason.”

    Have property in the natural desert that is southern California, Arizona, and New Mexico, do you? I feel your pain. The area was turned into an “Oasis” by water piped in from the north. Some say the water was “stolen.” Call it treason, if you wish, but the southwest is little more than a bargaining chip. Survival is the first order of business.

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    CompassionateFascist said:

    No, I don’t think Seadragonconquerer owns land in the southwest; according to rumor, he is a humble cabdriver, currently being sweatshopped by trans-border Mestizos. As for the rest, I suspect he is telling us what is going to happen, not what WNs wish will happen.

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    Tom Jefferson said:

    “No, I don’t think Seadragonconquerer owns land in the southwest; according to rumor, he is a humble cabdriver, currently being sweatshopped by trans-border Mestizos. As for the rest, I suspect he is telling us what is going to happen, not what WNs wish will happen.”

    We face on of two possible scenarios:

    1. The former white nations of North America become North Brazil with a small contingent of “non-racist” power brokers of “white pigmentation” and jewish surnames at the top, followed by an “anti-racist” racial polyglot of middle managers, and a huge mestizo-black population on the bottom.

    2. Canada and the United States breaks apart.

    There is no guarantee of white survival in either scenario.

  6. Excellent article by Tony Glaister. Seadragon’s March 15 distinction between WN and “hard-right” is of special interest to me — is that expanded on somewhere?

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    Eurodele makes the basic points. The League of the South started out committed to diversity. Their attitude may be changing. But even if L.O.S. attitude changes, getting your average white Jimmy Carter leaning Southerner to brutally expel 15 million blacks is possibly not do-able.

    I submit that we should give up everything below the 33rd parallel, all of us in my family here in Florida having developed skin cancers. Blacks should be allowed refuge there. That would help solve the Jimmy Carter problem.

    The original post made the point that we need to study history to succeed.

    Recent history shows that the Soviet Union broke up when the Russians became a 50% minority, but I suppose for reasons of territorial nationalism, they were only willing to give up enough territory to make themselves an 80% majority in the Russian federation.

    A white secessionist territory in America would have to show by example and a continuous decades long propaganda campaign that the surviving whites in the rest of the continent need to expel the non-whites over time. That could be accomplished by 50 years of emigration.

    Also there is the German example of the 1930s where persecution of ethnic Germans in bordering states was used in Germany proper as political motivation for annexation. Gradual re-anexation of American territory by a white ethno state would be implementing a proven political strategy.

    But the main thing, for those of us with college degrees, and especially those of you with advanced degrees, is to move to a racially conscious activist white community now and post your TOQ comments from there. Lead by example.

    I’ve made three exploratory trips to the Pacific Northwest in the last two years.
    My house in Florida is being fixed up for sale or rent. I’ve posted my street political activity with pictures on the internet. Now I’m beginning to meet people because of those postings. Look, those of us over sixty are at or near retirement and were raised by The Greatest Generation. Do we have a pair like our fathers?

    If you get to the point where you are retired or are looking for a new job, do your job search in the Pacific Northwest of at least near a white nationalist enclave.
    The Russian situation has more to offer us than experimental data. Russia is being promoted as a revived enemy, particularly by Zionists, who need America to have an enemy so as to justify America’s need for allies like Israel, and of course it may be supposed, by the military industrial complex.

    Russia then qualifies as an external ally for a White Nationalist secessionist Pacific Northwest.

    Also, I think white America is coming to a civilizational ideological shift, away from the suicidal diversity ideology. This happens. Russia recently had a similar dramatic ideological shift when it went from state Communism to Cowboy Capitalism in five years.

    Lastly, your average white American, if asked where a white supremacist refuge in American would be, will tell you Idaho. It is the designated rally point.

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