Dec 9, 2009

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Hal Turner & his Handlers

chronos1The article on Hal Turner recently linked on TOQ Online is well worth reading. It is journalism based upon “government documents, e-mails, court records and almost 20 hours of jailhouse interviews with Turner.” A number of federal police officials spoke to the authors off the record as well.

Even so, the article is not old-fashioned, objective, meat and potatoes journalism. Instead, it serves a political purpose: it indirectly mediates a dispute between Jewish organizations and federal police about the details of surveillance and suppression of white speech and activity. Cued-in academic, journalistic, political, and other elite participants are part of the intended audience as well.

The Jewish representatives quoted by The Record express strong reservations about the feds employing someone like Turner, who they view as too ideologically committed despite the harm he eagerly inflicted. The same government-Jewish dialectic surfaced in Germany after it was revealed that the secret police there funded and controlled much of the white opposition.

This problem is peculiar to totalitarian states posturing as liberal democracies. Police states are now so omnipotent—when and where they want to be—that no spontaneous, naturally-occurring opposition can arise, much less flourish and transform society, unless elites approve it. It is this development, coupled with decisive Jewish input into the process, which marks a sharp departure from past tyrannies and renders historical precedents involving most liberation movements marginally relevant at best to the present global demographic crisis of the European people.

Although Turner clearly is no victim in the manner of white dissidents, but an enemy of the people, facts revealed or reiterated here are nonetheless deeply disturbing.

Again the involvement of the FBI and Joint Terrorism Task Force in monitoring and criminalizing white activity demonstrates the extremist inclinations of the state in “the murky realm of domestic intelligence in the years after the Sept. 11 terror attacks.” In an internal memorandum the FBI casually refers to the targets of Turner’s and the agency’s vendetta as “multiple subversive domestic organizations.”

This, plus the fact that the agency “appropriated as much as $100,000 for Turner’s work as an informant” is a chilling reminder of how the most powerful secret police agency on earth regards even the most innocuous white activity. (Turner’s claim that “he was earning about $15,000 a month from his suddenly popular radio show and blog” is patently absurd and should not have been reported with a straight face.)

chronos2Anyone with the slightest knowledge of the truth is painfully aware of the near-complete absence of opposition to totalitarianism and anti-white racism among white people, and of how powerless and pitiful the targets of FBI and Jewish hate really are. The viciousness inherent in fed statements and the intensity of their persecution reveals a disconnect with reality as profound as Stalin’s obsessions over nonexistent conspiracies and oppositionists.

The power to classify legally-protected, indeed constitutionally-protected, speech and associational activity as “hate,” “racism,” “anti-Semitism” and “terrorism” bodes ill for the future.

Yes, whites—and Arabs and Persians—are the victims now. But, having tasted blood, and finding it sweet, power-hungry oligarchs will rapidly expand their range of operations. More and more ideas and organizations will be classified and proscribed as “hate” and “terrorism.” Many politically correct ideologues and even government officials cheering the brutalization of white dissidents today will eventually be ground up in their own meat grinder.

It is inevitable. History is quite clear on this point.

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  1. One thing about an episode such as this one – it provides another clear demonstration of how low our governments will go. Dissent from political correctness and the authorities might just assign some Judas to befriend you and report on your daily life. The Constitution supposedly has a right to privacy in it which allows for abortion, but doesn’t prevent the government from tasking some slob with imposing on your existence for absolutely no reason, other than nosiness about your possibly wrong opinions. It shows that the authorities in our so-called democracies don’t consider other people as fellow citizens but as garbage that can be messed with as they please. Nice folks. Hopefully some more eyes will be opened.

  2. indirectly mediates a dispute between Jewish organizations and federal police about the details of surveillance and suppression of white speech and activity. Cued-in academic, journalistic, political, and other elite participants are part of the intended audience as well.

    Uh-huh. The white leaders of the FBI and other domestic intelligence agencies are always playing a political game with Jewish pressure groups. Those white FBI leaders are required politically to look the other way quite often, and often they are not allowed to bust Jewish organized crime. White, non-Jewish political leaders apply the most pressure.

    Jewish representatives quoted by The Record express strong reservations about the feds employing someone like Turner, who they view as too ideologically committed despite the harm he eagerly inflicted

    An inevitable conflict of interest for subtle reasons. The white FBI officers (police state) think they can control the golem, the Jewish pressure groups absolutely fear it because it’s still controlled by the white FBI officers, not the Jewish political pressure groups.

    The viciousness inherent in fed statements and the intensity of their persecution reveals a disconnect with reality as profound as Stalin’s obsessions over nonexistent conspiracies and oppositionists.

    Genocide isn’t new.

    It is inevitable. History is quite clear on this point.

    Yes it is.

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    Chuck U. Farley77 said:

    ” Anyone with the slightest knowledge of the truth is painfully aware of the near-complete absence of opposition to totalitarianism and anti-white racism among white people, and of how powerless and pitiful the targets of FBI and Jewish hate really are.”

    This is one of the things that to me points to the Truth and Rightness of the White Nationalist movement.

    It is clear Organized Jewry is expending great energy in trying to keep a tiny group down and there is a reason for that, BECAUSE WE ARE RIGHT!

  4. Ah, I don’t know. Maybe I am optimistic to a fault, maybe I am, well, maybe I’m something I shouldn’t be on this matter. If so, I’d be happy to admit it.
    But I just can not buy into what I see as the vapor emanating from this article and so many others like it, ie; The Jews are insuperable, almighty, and unbeatable, forever and ever.

    There are a few reasons why I feel as I do, but I’ll just share what a Jewish Professor of mine in College once said to me. He said two things during the same brief talk that I have never forgotten. The first one fits in well with this article and the very real threat, presence, of totalitarianism.

    “How can Anything Jewish be democratic?”

    But the second quote is the one that I am seeing more and more evidence of and so, it’s probably where I get a lot of my hope, if not optimism.

    “Jews are the smartest and the dumbest people at the same time.”

    Whenever I remember that quote today the Jewish obsession with mass immigration comes irresistably to mind.

    The Hostile Elite is creating a Hostile Majority. Of course, that’s what they want, and to an extent, they have it. Meaning hostile to Whites (don’t you just love how the immigration scandal in Britain talks about rubbing multiculturalism in the Rights face, when they mean in the face of Whites!).

    But what they can’t seem to bring themselves to face, fully, is that that Hostile Majority is also hostile – to Jews!

  5. Great comments overall, but I thought I might point out in reference to one of the comments that Immigration is not bad for jews. It destroys US, not them, reduces OUR power, increases theirs, etc. Opposition from These third-world immigrants they can handle. It is the truth-seeking, objective white people alone in the world that truly stand in their way. I posted on the last Hal Turner article about his trial something I would like to mention here too:

    Amnesty International is a high-sounding organization which protects dissidents only when the opposition is against someone who holds politically-correct views, and usually only in other countries. They have a huge effort tostop the violence against women in other countries where they say rape is being used as a tactic of intimidation and war, yet here they completely IGNORE the upwards of 70,000 rapes of white women by black men every year (US Justice dept figure 37,000 and rape is reported at around 50%). They also ignore anyone in jail around the word for critiquing the “Holocaust” such as Ernst Zundel. If it was an openly Jewish organization, their behavior would not be much different. The danger of organizations like that is they look like they are filling the role of stopping opression when they are actually helping it by being THE organization, and NOT doing anything here with issues which are not in their agenda. Then there are other supposedly objective organizations like the Sierra Club which took a 100 million dollar donation with the stipulation that they NEVER bring up the all-important issue of immigration. By this, the jewish donor made it the premier environmental organization, but stole its objective soul. These organizations are now diversions and tools from real objective activism defining their fields, and their patent moral particularism rather than objectivity reflects the damage that Jewish-instigated and inspired changes to our culture have wrought.. Their control over our culture via the media and through our educational systems has HUGE implications. They make little moves here and there under the radar, and it all adds up over time to COMPLETELY change the face of our civilization and removes the very foundation of all western morality. It is difficult to realize the danger becuase it is near impossible to see all at once what they have been doing in so many different areas over so long a time. They are definitely committed — they obviously view the world differently genetically, and seem to automatically do these power-enhacing and genocidal things whenever the enter any civilization throughout history. They do the same patterns every time — like a bird of a certain species builds a nest of the same type in every different tree.

  6. Hello Steven. Excellent post. Obviously you were refering to my comment on Immigration. I appreciate you taking the time to point it out and respond to it.

    In one way, there isn’t much to add to what you have to say, and I am certainly aware of their objectives and don’t wish to marginalize the effect it’s having on Whites. After all, I am one of them.
    In fact, very much so. Which is why in some of my comments here at TOQ I have even made a distinction among racially aware Whites that there are two basic groups, Exposed and Unexposed Whites (even though, obviously, we’re all exposed to the harmful and hateful effects of Jewish Supremacism), and I think a dialogue between the two are in order.

    As far as I am concerned Whites need to do two things.
    1 – Rescue European Culture.
    2 – Fight Jewish Supremacism.

    The two are related, of course, and the details are too many to go into here and now.

    But I was really just making a point that I was glad to hear people from VDARE’s Brenda Walker to TOO’s own Kevin MacDonald, and others make, about how the Jewish obsession with Immigration could backfire on them. It very well may be.

    I understand how one could say, “Well, maybe…probably. But if Whites are gone by the time that happens who cares?”

    Never the less, I think it’s very – very – important that we do not ever look nervous or scared or whatever, when it comes to facing down Jewish Supremacism.
    We should not have resentment toward them either.
    Not just because resentment is bad for the one who feels it, etc. but because resentment is essentially the view from the bottom looking up!
    We should hold them in contempt, which is the postion from above looking down.
    And there is no question that, for all of our differences here and elsewhere, for all of the Exposed – Unexposed, etc, etc. that all of us, Whites, as targets of Jewish Supremacism, have the moral and intellectual high ground.

    Though our current dilema is most unfortunate, it’s idle to regret it since it’s simply our Reality, and so, something to be dealt with.
    There are things I read here and elsewhere that make me want to stand and cheer and other things that make me want to curse and swear.
    But I would rather be engaged in a healthy debate on matters of great concern to us, while fighting Jewish Supremacism, than bickering with each other while cringing in fear of a Hostile Elite.
    That was the essential point I was trying to make.

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