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Two “Conservative” Jews, Same “Liberal” Dissembling

In “The Myth of ‘Judeo-Christian Values,’” Paul Gottfried writes:

Although I agree with Larry [Auster] about the need for a moratorium on immigration, particularly from Latin America, and although I share his view that decadent, childless Europeans are committing physical and demographic suicide by repopulating their countries with lower-class Muslims, who often incline toward Islamic Fundamentalism, I strongly dissent from his unqualified generalizations about adherents of Islam.

I am not “suiciding” myself and I don’t know anyone who is. What Gottfried misidentifies as “suicide by repopulating their countries” is actually genocide by immigration. It is being imposed on lots of people I do know who don’t want it by a class who most certainly do not see themselves as “us” or these countries as “ours.” It is rationalized and excused by a number of specious arguments, the most effective of which is that any substantive resistance to this supposed “suicide” makes you a horrible, immoral, ignorant person — a “racist” or “nazi.” You’re a mortal threat to the interests of “minorities.”

Jews, of course, are the prototypical threatened minority, with a mind boggling disproportion of wealth and over-representation in Western media and politics. That’s why anyone who stands against this so-called “suicide” is called a “nazi” — whether or not they have any knowledge of “nazi” history or jewish power. Whites may be ignorant of our interests, but jews are not ignorant of theirs, and they don’t hesitate to use their power to viciously attack anyone they perceive as an enemy.

Neither Gottfried nor Auster are powerful, in part because they oppose immigration. Despite their differences on muslims both feel free to make unqualified negative generalizations about Whites. Both scapegoat us for “suiciding” ourselves. Both talk about and even criticize jews, but ultimately excuse them and blame Whites instead.

Larry might wish that Jews thought differently about Christian believers since he himself is one, but alas most of them don’t. Jewish organizations here and in Europe view Christians as people whose exaggerated guilt over the Holocaust can be channeled into support for the Israeli government. Prominent Jewish groups, such as the World Jewish Congress, the Canadian Jewish Congress, and the Anti-Defamation League, show nothing but indifference or hostility to the continued existence of Christian institutions in what used to be Christian countries.

This isn’t about religion. Christianity here is nothing but a proxy for Whiteness, and Gottfried and Auster both know it.

Those same prominent jewish groups joined with muslims and the Catholic Church, the media, and the EU ruling caste to condemn a popular, secular Swiss vote banning minarets. Led by jewish example and jewish rhetoric they all take the slightest indication that the Swiss want Switzerland to remain Swiss as a sign of “nazism,” which they see as a mortal threat. Never mind the mortal threat to the Swiss. In this and dozens of recent examples across the West, opposition to genocidal levels of immigration is more and more explicitly described as bad for jews and the alien migrants they identify and sympathize with. The rationale is that such opposition threatens them with genocide.

The impact of this inversion of reality isn’t anti-Christian, it’s anti-White. Even when White opposition to immigration is deracinated and expressed in terms of law, economics, or culture the genocidal immigrationists shamelessly inject their own ethnic and racial interests into the debate while accusing the White opposition of disguising “racist” motives.

I’m not as familiar with Gottfried, but I know Auster follows European politics almost as closely as he follows domestic American politics. His main concern isn’t religion. It’s “anti-semitism.” If he gets the slightest whiff that a person or organization opposes jewish interests, explicitly or not, it doesn’t matter whether they are good Christians, dislike muslims, or agree with him on every other point of his pro-jewish worldview.

There might well be problems with the liberal ideas that Jews have supported until now, but it is simply wrong to pretend that Jewish liberals act from liberal motives that have nothing to do with their Jewish fears and hostilities. I’ve never met a Jewish liberal whose leftist politics was not in some way connected to his self-identity as a Jew.

Auster only poses as an anti-”liberal” “conservative.” His preoccupation is with defending jewish interests. His opposition to immigration into the West is based primarily on it being bad for jews. His dissembling about “liberalism” and “judeo-Christian” heritage is only part of his deliberate and more general conflation of White and jewish interests. Gottfried likewise but less blatantly poses as a “conservative” against “liberalism”. Together he and his friend Auster demonstrate that self-identity as a jew is not only connected to “liberals” and leftist politics.

I’ll conclude with an exchange in June 2009 between these two hyper-conscious jews about how jews are innocent and Whites (disingenously euphemized first as “Protestants,” then as “Christians,” and finally as the “white gentile majority”) are to blame, excerpted from Black racial preferences at Annapolis; and a conversation with Paul Gottfried about white guilt,, Jews, and Protestants (Auster’s emphasis):

LA replies:

Let me see if I can reconcile these statements.

You seem to be saying that the egalitarian fiction (the races are equal in capacities, so blacks’ backwardness must be due to white racism) is the source of white guilt, but that the energy pushing this guilt and never giving it a rest is the projection of Christian spiritual guilt onto secular racial guilt about nonwhites.

Is that an accurate summary of what you’re saying?

However, this leads me to another point, I think I have just finally understood something you’ve been saying to me for a number of years. You have often told me that Protestant liberals are worse than Jewish liberals, and I never quite understood what you meant by this. But now I think maybe I see it.

What distinguishes Jewish liberalism from Protestant liberalism is the following.

Jewish liberals see white Christians as guilty. The Jews feel ok about themselves, they think the white gentile majority is the problem.

By contrast, white Protestant liberals feel guilty about themselves. This leaves them without a confident group selfhood. They believe only in equality, only in their own guilt for somehow standing in the way of equality. It is this lack of collective and even individual selfhood, this inner nothingness, this willingness to be destroyed, that makes the white Protestants the true liberals. The Jews, whose collective and individual psyche is not guilty under liberalism (since in the liberal world view Jews are victims and the champions of victims), have psychological power and self-confidence and thus are not true liberals.

A true liberal is a person who is willing to accept his group’s extinction. Protestants are willing to accept their group’s extinction. Jews are not. Therefore Protestants are closer to the true liberal essence than the Jews are.

Is this what you’ve been saying?

Paul Gottfried replies:

You’ve summed up my views on the differences between Jewish and Christian liberals with more succinctness that I’ve been able to apply to the problem. And your conclusion is spot on. True liberals, who incarnate the Freudian death wish, yearn for the extinction of their ancestral group.

Jews, including “conservatives” like Auster and Gottfried, feel ok about themselves, they think Whites are the problem.

UPDATE 16 April 2010: Alt-Right’s ongoing construction of a fictional Auster is Auster’s lame reply to “ignorant and off-base statements about me.” He complains that:

Every time an article about me appears at Richard Spencer’s website Alternative Right, which is not an infrequent event, it attributes to me, without evidence, without any quotations from my writings, views that I do not have and that I have never stated and that frequently are the opposite of my actual views. There have been so many such false attributions, particularly in Richard Spencer’s long article, “Austercized” (which I only gave a careful reading recently, after Spencer’s podcast interview of me), and in Richard Hoste’s blog entries about me, and it would take so much work and time to reply to them all, and there are so many more pressing and more interesting things to write about, that I’ve put off replying to them so far, though I will try to get around to it.

The latest Auster-critical fantasy fest (or, rather, “Larry”-critical fantasy fest, since the writers at Alt Right do not refer to me by my last name, but as “Larry”) is a 1,600 word article posted yesterday by Paul Gottfried which, without a single quotation of me, attributes to me numerous views that I do not have and have never stated.

Of course whenever I write about Larry I quote him extensively. My frequent critiques of him have been rooted entirely in his views and his arguments. It has never stopped him from writing any number of ignorant and off-base statements about me.

Focusing finally on Gottfried, Auster writes:

Beyond his wild mischaracterizations of my views, of which I’ve only touched the surface, is a much more consequential matter. Gottfried’s main point in this vile and incoherent article is to drive a wedge between Jews and Christians, to make Christians feel that Jews are a greater threat to the West than Muslims are.

The quotes Auster provides and his statement of his “real” views do not demonstrate any “wild mischaracterizations” made by Gottfried. And Auster provides no quotes in support of his own wild mischaracterization of Gottfried’s main point, which Gottfried put right in his title: The Myth of ‘Judeo-Christian Values.’” Gottfried is accusing Larry of mischaracterizing the history of European/jewish relations. The only real flaw with that criticism is that Gottfried neglects to add that many other jews and zionist Christians join Larry in that mythologizing. “Judeo-Christian” rhetoric is the norm, not the exception, and in fact the only politically correct, mainstream, “liberal” view of “judeo-Christian” history is one in which jews have always been the completely innocent victims of undeserved persecution, repeatedly perpetrated by envious, irrational, and ignorant Europeans.

As usual Auster doesn’t address the criticism that’s actually aimed at him. Instead he complains hypocritically about “personal attacks” and “reckless indifference to factual truth” and changes the subject. And of course the subject that he really wants to talk about is the threat to jews posed by Gottfried’s blunt words concerning their dim views of “Christians,” i.e., Europeans.

I’m disgusted by the dissembling coming from both of these jewish “conservative” poseurs, but I’m happy to see so many in the Alternative Right commentariat aren’t fooled.

Age of Treason, April 15, 2010

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  1. There’s more than enough evidence to say that Jews are quite literally possessed by – an incredible inability to admit they are wrong – ever – about anything.

    They have lots of company the world over. But I have no doubt that if we were to arrange this malady (and that’s the right word) hierarchically they’d be at the top.

    We have to look at this from two points of view.

    Biologically and Politically.

    Biologically, any organism with only one way of responding to it’s environment is bound to be wrong. “Wrong” in biological terms means, mal-adaptive. And now we arrive at the political.

    Politically, if the group at the top, known, or refered to as, the Elite, are biologically of such fixed orientation that they only have one way of responding to an incredibly complex reality, then they are in essence, forcing those under their control to live in a political system that is mal-adaptive.

    The number of people who have to, in one way or another, answer to Jewish interests is considerable.

    They are psychotic in their inability, or refusal, to be even the slightest bit flexible.

    But they are psycho-socio pathic to the extent they know this, know that others will suffer the consequences of their actions, and simply do not care.

    That they try to guilt trip that population every time that population or any part of it disagrees with them, is only more proof that the hostile elite in question is only more proof that they are psychotic and psychopathic. And their attempts to guilt trip must be dismissed on these grounds.

    It should be our only response to each and every attempt on their part to make us feel guilty for not wanting to be extirminated by them.

    Never the less, and as we all know, it is very easy for them to convince themselves that they are right. That they have all of the questions and all of the answers. And for them, they do. That they try to guilt trip the population they control every time that population or any part of it disagrees with them, is only more proof that the hostile elite in question is psychotic and psychopathic.

    Ah, but there’s a snake in this garden too, this Fool’s Paradise.

    What’s bad for us and everyone else in this situation, is bad for Jews.

    The fact that you can’t convince them of this only serves as more evidence that they are psychotic and psychopathic.

    But now we’re back to where we started from.
    Because there’s already more than enough evidence.

  2. “The fact that you can’t convince them of this only serves as more evidence that they are psychotic and psychopathic.”

    YES.

    Also, lest we forget, the Jews have obviously agreed with Hitler. They have spent every moment post WW2 calling European Christians Nazis, Nazi, Nazi, Nazi.

    And when Jews call European Christians Nazis. What they are really saying is: “We will NOT peacefully coexist with you.” That is exactly what Hitler used to say.

    Now that Jews have agreed with Hitler . . . what more does anyone need to say?

  3. avatar
    Whites Unite said:

    Tanstaafl,

    We all owe you a debt of gratitude for picking apart Auster’s un-Christian, un-Conservative reaction to the arrest of Roman Polanski, and for exposing the hypocrisy inherant in his failure to use “Auster’s Law” to analyze the relationship between Jews and White Gentiles.

    Your criticisms of Auster have actual substance, unlike the petty and incomprehensible sniping which Paul Gottfried and Richard Spencer for some reason indulge in. (Is Gottfried bitter because Auster converted to Christianity? Does Spencer mimick the attitudes of Gottfried?)

    I’m surprised, however, to learn that you are unfamiliar with the work of Paul Gottfried. He is, arguably, the foremost right-wing Jewish intellectual in America, and his essays are achived at Lew Rockwell. I would be very interested to learn your reaction to the full range of his thought.

    My own reservations about Gottfried can be found in my comments on the Fe. 23 TOQ post “Steve Sailer gets it”.

  4. The high IQ among Jewish conservative intellectuals misleads the “gentiles.” Yes: a few Jewish conservative intellectuals are apparently concerned with the suicidal levels of non-white immigration and the fate of whites. What it was not clear to me until very recently is that there’s a conflict of interests among Jews and non-Jews for the same territory. When this conflict manifests itself in socially sensitive issues, Auster—and other Jewish intellectuals apparently concerned with white interests—invariably side their own ethnic group against whites.

    It may sound a little too preposterous to say, but since the Jews are ranked at the top of IQ studies (you can listen to this fact even in the recorded videos of past American Renaissance meetings), they can deceive unsuspecting non-Jews who are clueless about the existence of a scholarly literature on the Jewish Problem.

  5. Auster is pure evil, and Gottfried is known to dissemble, but not necessarily on the main points of that essay. Of all the many things the Jews hate, Christianity holds a special place. And the Jewish hatred of Christianity applies to Christians who’ve allegedly persecuted Jews, Christians who’ve tolerated and indulged Jews, and Christians who’ve had no contact with Jews. What did the pious citizens of Salem, MA ever do to Brooklyn’s Arthur Miller to provoke The Crucible?

  6. avatar
    Northwest Reader said:

    Lawrence Auster’s Jewishness is pretty obvious, and his attempts to deflect criticism from Jews are naked and easy to take apart.

    Some of the reason that some white nationalists see Gottfried as an “non-Jewish” writer is because he’s critical of Israel and appears not to support Jewish causes. Could it be that he’s a much more advanced form of these Auster right-wing Jews?

    He’s criticized Dr. Macdonald’s writings, trying to place the blame of Western destruction on “Protestantism” and such. He gives a little by admitting that Jews have had a role, but then places the overwhelming blame elsewhere, when in reality most blame belongs on the Jews.

  7. avatar

    It may sound a little too preposterous to say, but since the Jews are ranked at the top of IQ studies (you can listen to this fact even in the recorded videos of past American Renaissance meetings), they can deceive unsuspecting non-Jews who are clueless about the existence of a scholarly literature on the Jewish Problem.

    This is a bit of a stretch – much of these claims come from, of course, Jews – and they are never frank and forthright about anything that makes them look bad, inferior, or even ‘secondary’ in any way, shape or form.

    Regarding the IQ thing, there are studies that show White Protestant groups scoring even higher than Ashkenazi Jews – which really is more of a fair comparison (apples to apples) than comparing A. Jews, a very select group, even within the worldwide Jewish population, to an amorphous mass of other Whites (apples to oranges), which can include even borderline ‘Whites’ such as N. Africans and Middle Easterners, and some other hybridized Euro populations, as well.

  8. Great Comments Dedalus — especially about the “psychopathic” aspects of their psychology. I have increasingly noticed over the years how “psychopathic” fits the Jewish people as a whole — a meta-disorder. They are like extremely high-functioning, persistent, and intelligent psychopaths. Their behaviors throughout history have led me to this view–I was highly resistant to it for years because of their highly-promoted “victim” status. The other reason I was resistant is that I could not get my mind around the existence of a people with such a different world view. They are social and charming when it suits them, and fluent liars or murderers too. No regard for others, and others are there to please them. Even causing a war is not too much death if they can benefit from it (see the archetypal movie Jud Suss, or the many other wars or revolutions they have caused and fomented) A psychopath is dangerous to society because he only asks “is it good for me?” and does whatever he pleases… like the Jews ask “is it good for the Jews?”… Anything goes: Organ harvesting, sexual slavery, genocide, stealing wealth, murder as a business idea, looting whole nations, destroying whole peoples because they might get in the way… That makes us who have restraints on our behaviors like compassion, truthfulness, and higher aspirations blind to what they are doing — we cannot imagine it. We cannot see the big lies because we cannot imagine someone having so little disregard for the truth and all our higher goals that come from it. Their reflexive and near-mindless-to-them survival patterning does not exist to us. Their deceptions are camouflage –tailored to us and our psychologies. Like all psychopaths, they are expert manipulators. I wonder how they got started on this pattern? The wandering Jews as a group might have formed between the camps and then the cities from those who had these tendencies and were kicked out of civilizations because of it. Early Europeans used ostracism, as did many other peoples. Their pattern is criminal and massively exploitative and destructive. The Jewish religion is nothing more than a sociopathic strategy enshrined and worshiped–where all the money of the world will be theirs and they will rule over everyone. Why are we are looking at relatively harmless Iran as a world threat? We are worried about Iran getting nukes? Come on people. Dedalus is right. They cannot admit they are “wrong” because OUR wrong, and universal wrong is not THEIR wrong! According to their world view they CAN’T be wrong.

  9. Insightful comments, thank you all.

    Whites Unite, I’m not unfamiliar with Gottfried, I am simply more familiar with Auster and thus feel more qualified to opine authoritatively about his statements and positions. I agree with Northwest Reader’s view of Gottfried vis-a-vis Auster.

  10. As if to prove your point, Auster now asserts the existence of a “Paleocon Anti-Semitic Complex.” Also, check out this hysterical and entirely ad hominem response to this reader’s apparently innocent question about the necessity of supporting Israel.

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