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		<title>Comment on The Cold War on Whites, Part 1 by Deirdre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deirdre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to divide my life into 2 parts.  Part 1 was prior to understanding that the increasing norm of scorn toward whiteness; toward European-derived culture, philosophy and religion was deliberate and purposeful.  Part 2 has been the recent,  constant search for material on these topics in libraries and of course on the internet.  Sites such as the Occidentals (Dissent, Observer, Quarterly) and American Renaissance are excellent.  I attempt to stay away from anything that has &quot;neo-nazi&quot; or &quot;stormfront&quot;-ish because I believe they do more harm than good to ourgoals of preservation, etc.  I became more and more alarmed in the past couple of years.  I couldn&#039;t find certain books on record in the public library, as if I was in the USSR.   I&#039;m really surprised at how manyreasonable, educated white people will look right in your face and refuse to believe this.  My father used to say &quot;A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still,&quot; and I find that to be very true.  Liberalism is poison, has always been poisonous to tradition - and tradition was our strength.   The information that I have become privy to regarding the position of the Jews through this research was shocking and surprising to me as I was always taught they were victims.  The film over my eyes has cleared.  I feel that they are deeply at fault and bear a large responsibility for attempts at our total dispossession and displacement.  Their subterfuge has no equal.  The real verses in their Talmud are sickening.  And they have an aversion to labor and a penchant for parasitism.  They cause me a deep disgust, all the more powerful because for 45 years I had nothing but kindness toward them and an attitude of Live And Let Live.  I often wondered why the KKK and The Third Reich made such frequent appearances in movies, over and over and over when surely the dredging up of the past could never be good for people who were trying to live together in harmony?  That should have provided me with a clue, but didn&#039;t.  Fortunately I ran into a book of Dr. Kevin McDonald.   It is difficult not to have extremely negative feelings toward Jews after seeing a&quot;group evolutionary&quot; or &quot;survival&quot; strategy turn into a contempt for white Christendom or anything close to it that eradication or permanent enslavement was their only answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to divide my life into 2 parts.  Part 1 was prior to understanding that the increasing norm of scorn toward whiteness; toward European-derived culture, philosophy and religion was deliberate and purposeful.  Part 2 has been the recent,  constant search for material on these topics in libraries and of course on the internet.  Sites such as the Occidentals (Dissent, Observer, Quarterly) and American Renaissance are excellent.  I attempt to stay away from anything that has &#8220;neo-nazi&#8221; or &#8220;stormfront&#8221;-ish because I believe they do more harm than good to ourgoals of preservation, etc.  I became more and more alarmed in the past couple of years.  I couldn&#8217;t find certain books on record in the public library, as if I was in the USSR.   I&#8217;m really surprised at how manyreasonable, educated white people will look right in your face and refuse to believe this.  My father used to say &#8220;A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still,&#8221; and I find that to be very true.  Liberalism is poison, has always been poisonous to tradition &#8211; and tradition was our strength.   The information that I have become privy to regarding the position of the Jews through this research was shocking and surprising to me as I was always taught they were victims.  The film over my eyes has cleared.  I feel that they are deeply at fault and bear a large responsibility for attempts at our total dispossession and displacement.  Their subterfuge has no equal.  The real verses in their Talmud are sickening.  And they have an aversion to labor and a penchant for parasitism.  They cause me a deep disgust, all the more powerful because for 45 years I had nothing but kindness toward them and an attitude of Live And Let Live.  I often wondered why the KKK and The Third Reich made such frequent appearances in movies, over and over and over when surely the dredging up of the past could never be good for people who were trying to live together in harmony?  That should have provided me with a clue, but didn&#8217;t.  Fortunately I ran into a book of Dr. Kevin McDonald.   It is difficult not to have extremely negative feelings toward Jews after seeing a&#8221;group evolutionary&#8221; or &#8220;survival&#8221; strategy turn into a contempt for white Christendom or anything close to it that eradication or permanent enslavement was their only answer.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elite and Underclass by D G</title>
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		<dc:creator>D G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 03:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have been more interested in this article in say the 80s and 90s.  Now, it&#039;s hard to care.  This country is finished, and only fools would deny it.

America will go the way that Europe did in the 20th century.  Massive convulsion followed by sterile stability.

There&#039;s a destructive side to Western Civilization that is the opposite of the creative side, and many have commented on this.  America is the last outpost of Western Civilization, and it&#039;s not looking good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have been more interested in this article in say the 80s and 90s.  Now, it&#8217;s hard to care.  This country is finished, and only fools would deny it.</p>
<p>America will go the way that Europe did in the 20th century.  Massive convulsion followed by sterile stability.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a destructive side to Western Civilization that is the opposite of the creative side, and many have commented on this.  America is the last outpost of Western Civilization, and it&#8217;s not looking good.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elite and Underclass by John Connell</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Connell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 03:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear EX, Your comment reveals a substantial amount of Mel Bradford&#039;s well defined  &quot;Self- Worship.&quot;  Perhaps you are at least a prelate in the &quot;First Self Righteous Church of Obama, The Pelosi Synod.&quot;  Bradford nailed your type in 1971.  Enjoy your vacuous delusions, but spare us the exposure to your narcissistic needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear EX, Your comment reveals a substantial amount of Mel Bradford&#8217;s well defined  &#8220;Self- Worship.&#8221;  Perhaps you are at least a prelate in the &#8220;First Self Righteous Church of Obama, The Pelosi Synod.&#8221;  Bradford nailed your type in 1971.  Enjoy your vacuous delusions, but spare us the exposure to your narcissistic needs.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elite and Underclass by j</title>
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		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 18:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murray&#039;s work should be considered withing the framework of our modern economy. A few thousand miners mine all the coal of America, a few thousand farmers produce mountains of corn and wheat, nuclear power stations are operated by a few dozen engineers. Simply, there is no need nor use for uneducated males. The traditional outlet for surplus males is the army, so the solution of America&#039;s social loss of stability may be found in employing the surplus millions in low tech wars far away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murray&#8217;s work should be considered withing the framework of our modern economy. A few thousand miners mine all the coal of America, a few thousand farmers produce mountains of corn and wheat, nuclear power stations are operated by a few dozen engineers. Simply, there is no need nor use for uneducated males. The traditional outlet for surplus males is the army, so the solution of America&#8217;s social loss of stability may be found in employing the surplus millions in low tech wars far away.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Republican Immigration Fantasies by Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 11:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Republican Party?

You mean the one controlled by AIPAC, and funded by billionaire chosenite Adelson?

I have to remember to not take this Yggdrasil guy seriously anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Republican Party?</p>
<p>You mean the one controlled by AIPAC, and funded by billionaire chosenite Adelson?</p>
<p>I have to remember to not take this Yggdrasil guy seriously anymore.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Swipe Yo&#8217; EBT by May</title>
		<link>http://www.toqonline.com/blog/where-our-money-goes/comment-page-1/#comment-14502</link>
		<dc:creator>May</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2012 07:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I highly recommend you all explore the RamZPaul channel on YouTube if you haven&#039;t already. He&#039;s the perfect blend of comedian &amp; satirist, &amp; is &quot;lite&quot; enough to be considered a transitional figure for folks who haven&#039;t fully attained racial consciousness. He also pokes fun at the leftist establishment which has created nationwide (worldwide, really) hostility towards white interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I highly recommend you all explore the RamZPaul channel on YouTube if you haven&#8217;t already. He&#8217;s the perfect blend of comedian &amp; satirist, &amp; is &#8220;lite&#8221; enough to be considered a transitional figure for folks who haven&#8217;t fully attained racial consciousness. He also pokes fun at the leftist establishment which has created nationwide (worldwide, really) hostility towards white interests.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elite and Underclass by Olave d'Estienne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olave d'Estienne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2012 03:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If Murray is correct, however, the post-collapse strategy recommended by nationalist luminaries such as Guillaume Faye and Yggdrasil could prove dangerously mistaken.&quot;

Will anyone sum up these strategies for me?  That statement piqued my interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If Murray is correct, however, the post-collapse strategy recommended by nationalist luminaries such as Guillaume Faye and Yggdrasil could prove dangerously mistaken.&#8221;</p>
<p>Will anyone sum up these strategies for me?  That statement piqued my interest.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elite and Underclass by Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jan 2012 14:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The economic dynamics that have produced the class society I deplore have fostered the blossoming of America’s human capital.&quot;

Yes, the economic dynamics of outsourcing leaving well &quot;indoctrinated&quot; Americans to fend for themselves.  If Murray means intelligence, he will be sorely disappointed in the quality of &#039;modern graduates&#039;.

As per Yggdrasil&#039;s comment that the book is targeted to the liberal readers, it is also clearly stated here by Murray:

&quot;We are one nation, indivisible, in terms of whites and people of color. Differences in the fortunes of different ethnic groups persist, but white America is not headed in one direction and nonwhite America in another.&quot;

Only the most &quot;intelligent&quot; (or rather indoctrinated) liberal can convince themselves to believe this statement, which completely ignores racial reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The economic dynamics that have produced the class society I deplore have fostered the blossoming of America’s human capital.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, the economic dynamics of outsourcing leaving well &#8220;indoctrinated&#8221; Americans to fend for themselves.  If Murray means intelligence, he will be sorely disappointed in the quality of &#8216;modern graduates&#8217;.</p>
<p>As per Yggdrasil&#8217;s comment that the book is targeted to the liberal readers, it is also clearly stated here by Murray:</p>
<p>&#8220;We are one nation, indivisible, in terms of whites and people of color. Differences in the fortunes of different ethnic groups persist, but white America is not headed in one direction and nonwhite America in another.&#8221;</p>
<p>Only the most &#8220;intelligent&#8221; (or rather indoctrinated) liberal can convince themselves to believe this statement, which completely ignores racial reality.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elite and Underclass by Ari Tai</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ari Tai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wager radical decentralization, the right of a citizen to vote with their feet, and competitive by near-sovereign political units the size of the average Swiss Canton (~150K citizens) would solve all these issues (in the U.S. and elsewhere).  Those that invest energy in human re-engineering will go broke, as dollars and their citizens flee.  Those that sublimate these passions into the creative efforts by a free-people and their enterprise will thrive.  And since any group of 100K plus citizens is a larger economic group than all but the largest companies – they’ll have no issues with collecting their own taxes, running their own schools, hospitals, elder-and-indigent care, public safety, courts, etc (as the Swiss Cantons have proven for a century).

We may not be able to get to the libertarian ideal, but this will be close.  (Portions of) San Francisco can live at the social edge, and others be a haven for a traditional family.  The Central Valley can get about the business of feeding the world.  And neither will tell each other how to live.

Granted, D.C. will be returned to a park (or its original swamp).  Which is just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wager radical decentralization, the right of a citizen to vote with their feet, and competitive by near-sovereign political units the size of the average Swiss Canton (~150K citizens) would solve all these issues (in the U.S. and elsewhere).  Those that invest energy in human re-engineering will go broke, as dollars and their citizens flee.  Those that sublimate these passions into the creative efforts by a free-people and their enterprise will thrive.  And since any group of 100K plus citizens is a larger economic group than all but the largest companies – they’ll have no issues with collecting their own taxes, running their own schools, hospitals, elder-and-indigent care, public safety, courts, etc (as the Swiss Cantons have proven for a century).</p>
<p>We may not be able to get to the libertarian ideal, but this will be close.  (Portions of) San Francisco can live at the social edge, and others be a haven for a traditional family.  The Central Valley can get about the business of feeding the world.  And neither will tell each other how to live.</p>
<p>Granted, D.C. will be returned to a park (or its original swamp).  Which is just fine.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elite and Underclass by phun</title>
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		<dc:creator>phun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lolzozlolz</description>
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		<title>Comment on Elite and Underclass by Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 02:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems so odd that this liberal elite that we are creating is so willing to impose a heavy tax burden on itself for purposes of taking care of the less fortunate (in the name of economic justice).  That is such a &#039;Christian&#039; thing to do....

He observes the growing concentration of IQ and education in the elite class, and bemoans the decline in the &#039;religiosity&#039; of the same.    Yet it seems to me that these have to be connected.  The smarter you are, and the better educated you are, the harder it seems to become to accept the traditional teachings of Christianity (or any religion) in an uncritical manner.  What is to be done about that?  Should we have the government enforce beliefs?  Or should all the elite get together and engage in a secret agreement to pretend fervent belief in old style Christianity for the Good of Society?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems so odd that this liberal elite that we are creating is so willing to impose a heavy tax burden on itself for purposes of taking care of the less fortunate (in the name of economic justice).  That is such a &#8216;Christian&#8217; thing to do&#8230;.</p>
<p>He observes the growing concentration of IQ and education in the elite class, and bemoans the decline in the &#8216;religiosity&#8217; of the same.    Yet it seems to me that these have to be connected.  The smarter you are, and the better educated you are, the harder it seems to become to accept the traditional teachings of Christianity (or any religion) in an uncritical manner.  What is to be done about that?  Should we have the government enforce beliefs?  Or should all the elite get together and engage in a secret agreement to pretend fervent belief in old style Christianity for the Good of Society?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elite and Underclass by LH</title>
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		<dc:creator>LH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jan 2012 01:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; had little in common &quot; believe you mean, &quot;had little to separate them&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; had little in common &#8221; believe you mean, &#8220;had little to separate them&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on White Preservationism is Dead by Michael Woodbridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Woodbridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 21:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kurtagic is absolutely right of course; by synthesising the past and future into the present we have a new direction and the impetus towards action. All else is stagnation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kurtagic is absolutely right of course; by synthesising the past and future into the present we have a new direction and the impetus towards action. All else is stagnation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elite and Underclass by Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:28:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Mr. Devlin, for giving voice to the voiceless.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Elite and Underclass by GenoType</title>
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		<dc:creator>GenoType</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 15:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not suckered by Charles Murray&#039;s definitions of &quot;elitism&quot; or discount, as Devlin does, the historical significance of “class” in America merely because the mythology of classical liberalism promoted by a group of estranged Republicans would have it otherwise.  The poor and working class are generally “beyond the notice” of old money, held in contempt by the nouveau rich, and actively despised by the “wannabe rich” in the upper middle-class.  

As to “elitism,” a recent post on MR showing IQ point distribution paints a different picture:

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments//intelligence_or_control_of_the_money_supply#c121223

Yggdrasil mentions the cost of higher education and its dysgenic effects.  It seems that developing an alternative to this state of affairs ought to be a primary focal point for the white nationalist crowd, but is not.  Why is that? 

Murray, Devlin, and the TOQ crowd don’t key in on major aspects of the Great Change since 1970, which saw:

1.   Acceptance of dependence on foreign oil imports.

The New York bankster crew saw little to no change for the revenue flow was still deposited in their banks.  The account holders merely changed from white Middle Americans to Ahab the Arab.  From their viewpoint this was all good, not bad.  It meant people like the Hunt Brothers had less money than previously.

2.  &quot;Global outsourcing&quot;/offshoring of important manufacturing industries.

The China Trade was another prerequisite for the emergence of the wealth gap and the New Overclass.  It is not replaceable.  Where else on Earth will SP500 companies find the same combination of high (non-verbal) IQ and “work or starve” police state motivation for low paid factory workers?  Foxconn and its customers cannot easily shift iPad production to Africa or even India.

Why don’t they key in on this?

Because under a “white nationalist” regime led by estranged upper middle-class Republicans the bars to upward mobility and status must remain artificially high, and the day traders in this group must preserve their EZ profits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not suckered by Charles Murray&#8217;s definitions of &#8220;elitism&#8221; or discount, as Devlin does, the historical significance of “class” in America merely because the mythology of classical liberalism promoted by a group of estranged Republicans would have it otherwise.  The poor and working class are generally “beyond the notice” of old money, held in contempt by the nouveau rich, and actively despised by the “wannabe rich” in the upper middle-class.  </p>
<p>As to “elitism,” a recent post on MR showing IQ point distribution paints a different picture:</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments//intelligence_or_control_of_the_money_supply#c121223" rel="nofollow">http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments//intelligence_or_control_of_the_money_supply#c121223</a></p>
<p>Yggdrasil mentions the cost of higher education and its dysgenic effects.  It seems that developing an alternative to this state of affairs ought to be a primary focal point for the white nationalist crowd, but is not.  Why is that? </p>
<p>Murray, Devlin, and the TOQ crowd don’t key in on major aspects of the Great Change since 1970, which saw:</p>
<p>1.   Acceptance of dependence on foreign oil imports.</p>
<p>The New York bankster crew saw little to no change for the revenue flow was still deposited in their banks.  The account holders merely changed from white Middle Americans to Ahab the Arab.  From their viewpoint this was all good, not bad.  It meant people like the Hunt Brothers had less money than previously.</p>
<p>2.  &#8220;Global outsourcing&#8221;/offshoring of important manufacturing industries.</p>
<p>The China Trade was another prerequisite for the emergence of the wealth gap and the New Overclass.  It is not replaceable.  Where else on Earth will SP500 companies find the same combination of high (non-verbal) IQ and “work or starve” police state motivation for low paid factory workers?  Foxconn and its customers cannot easily shift iPad production to Africa or even India.</p>
<p>Why don’t they key in on this?</p>
<p>Because under a “white nationalist” regime led by estranged upper middle-class Republicans the bars to upward mobility and status must remain artificially high, and the day traders in this group must preserve their EZ profits.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Elite and Underclass by Ex-Pro White Activist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ex-Pro White Activist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jan 2012 15:03:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yea great article, yet only five comments?&quot;

It was a superb book review.   It should be discussed by thousands and read by millions.

Unfortunately *someone* chose to preempt the comments thread with regurgitated FOURTEEN YEAR OLD material that was longer than the original review.   

This is typical for  &quot;End Times&quot; American White Nationalism.   It&#039;s why the &quot;non-Movement&quot; is now experiencing its own further &quot;collapse&quot;.   (And how many thought this wasn&#039;t possible?)   It&#039;s now forming a black hole that miraculously exerts absolutely no gravity on its surroundings.  Here is a true miracle.</description>
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<p>It was a superb book review.   It should be discussed by thousands and read by millions.</p>
<p>Unfortunately *someone* chose to preempt the comments thread with regurgitated FOURTEEN YEAR OLD material that was longer than the original review.   </p>
<p>This is typical for  &#8220;End Times&#8221; American White Nationalism.   It&#8217;s why the &#8220;non-Movement&#8221; is now experiencing its own further &#8220;collapse&#8221;.   (And how many thought this wasn&#8217;t possible?)   It&#8217;s now forming a black hole that miraculously exerts absolutely no gravity on its surroundings.  Here is a true miracle.</p>
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		<description>Brilliant review by Roger Devlin, of a book with many valuable data points and insights.

But as in The Bell Curve where Murray fell flat in his discussion of the dangers of social isolation for this new &quot;cognitive elite,&quot; he tells liberal readers of &quot;Falling Apart&quot;, who are, after all,  the primary sales target for this book and who secretly despise working class Whites, exactly what they want to hear:  

&lt;em&gt;&quot;The economic dynamics that have produced the class society I deplore have fostered the blossoming of America’s human capital. These dynamics will increase, not diminish, our competitiveness on the world stage in the years ahead. Nor do I forecast decline in America’s military and diplomatic supremacy.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

And as Devlin justly concludes:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;I take this to mean that the new economy’s success in turning high intelligence to account more than makes up for the inefficiencies of the welfare state and military adventurism.

&quot;Many nationalists treat it as axiomatic that the Washington regime’s ability to squander its subjects’ wealth, courage and ingenuity will eventually overcome any possible economic arrangement. If Murray is correct, however, the post-collapse strategy recommended by nationalist luminaries such as Guillaume Faye and Yggdrasil could prove dangerously mistaken.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

As a rejoinder to Murray&#039;s optimism about the future of this new elite and its successful plan to impoverish working class Whites, I published a rejoinder as part of my &quot;Introduction to Sir Arthur Keith&quot; back in 1998: 

http://www.whitenationalism.com/etext/ak-intro.htm

    VIII. OUR DE-RACINATED ELITES - PREDATOR OR PREY?

    It is time now to pose a fundamental question: Is it a smart survival strategy for Euro-American Elites to form themselves into a social class, disdain their racial fellows and ally themselves with tribes and races that cling tenaciously to the dual code?

    On page 208 of Ethics, Sir Arthur explains the fatal flaw in social class as a strategy for survival:

        &quot;There is one point about the constitution of Hindu castes and tribes which is particularly worthy of note: they are destitute of the means of offering a physical defense; they are not clad in a robe of enmity. Now, a tribe or caste which is not organized for defense could not survive unless it is protected by an overlord or governing power. We may conclude, therefore, that castes did not come into existence in India until large areas of that country were under the dominion of an invading power which brought with it a new religion.&quot;

    Here is how Sir Arthur describes the effects of Roman imperialism on the Celtic populations of Britain:

        &quot;The presence of four legions ensured the conditions necessary for the growth of civilization -viz., security of life and property and a code of laws was maintained and administered by governors and magistrates. Roads were made; cities, built on the Roman pattern, replaced ramshackle tribal towns; arts and crafts were introduced; trade flourished; native produce was carried to the Continent; luxuries, literature, and vice came back in exchange. Native youths of promise were taught in Latin; they learned to wear the toga, acquired with zest the Roman ways of life, and merged their British nativity in the wider fraternity of the Empire.

            &quot;Thus for three centuries and a half England basked in the sun of Roman civilization. We must note, however, that civilization may come to a people in two ways, which give different results. A people may import a civilization, as the Japanese did in the last half of the nineteenth century, or it may have a civilization thrust on it by a superior power. It was in the latter way that Roman civilization came to England; it was offered to her on the point of the sword. She was civilized not for the benefit of her inhabitants, numbering some two millions before the debacle set in, early in the fifth decade, but for the aggrandizement of Rome. We must note with the eye of an anthropologist the chief effect which was produced on the mentality of the inhabitants of England by these centuries of Roman civilization. The people were detribalized and disarmed; they had come to depend, for the safety of their lives and the maintenance of their civilization, not on their own right arm, but on the armed power of foreign legionaires. Hence, when the legions were recalled (A.D. 406), they were left a helpless prey to any tribal people who had the will and power to attack them. And they were attacked, in a way which will be described in another essay. We may assert, then, that if civilization unified and domesticated the Celtic inhabitants of England, it also led them to their doom and brought their evolutionary career to a disastrous end.

            * * *

            &quot;At the time of the Roman departure there lived on the opposite shorelands of the Continent, from Jutland in the north to the estuary of the Rhine in the south, a fighting, pagan, farming people, of strong build of body and of a resolute, courageous spirit. Their organization was tribal; each local group had its township; the township within a definite tract of territory recognized an overlord or leader. These were the people who, sword in hand, began to colonize England in the year 449; they continued to land on the eastern and southern coasts for at least a century and a half, feeding settlements already planted and held; they annexed native lands, farmed them, established townships and tribal territories, each with its own leader or overlord. Some twelve centuries later the Christianized descendants of these pagan colonists repeated the process in America.&quot;

    The Latium tribe (the Romans) disappeared as well. Sir Arthur writes of them on pages 96-97 of Ethics:

        &quot;Gibbon was content, like Plato, to look upon peasant, artisan, and laborer as existing to form a mighty plinth on which a minority is superimposed in order that it might enjoy the blessings of civilization. Look at the size and composition of the Roman plinth in the time of the Emperor Claudius. Gibbon estimates that the population of the Empire was then 120 million; Over 100 millions should go to form the plinth, and probably one-third of these were slaves representing races alien to Italy. Now, a social pyramid such as that erected by the Romans may serve as an excellent structure for the growth of civilization, but as a structure designed to carry a great people onward in its evolutionary journey, it is as badly constructed as is anthropologically possible. It is not top-heavy; it is worse - it is bottom-heavy. A social pyramid which is to endure must be made up of individual human units, preferably of common racial origin, who, from bottom to top of the pyramid, are conscious of a common evolutionary destiny and work together to attain it. The Roman Empire may now provide scholars with a harvest; it provides only warning to the evolutionary-minded anthropologist.&quot;

    It is Sir Arthur&#039;s bottom-heavy crime against evolution which Herrenstein and Murray decry in &quot;The Bell Curve.&quot; It is this same issue that Peter Brimelow decries in &quot;Alien Nation.&quot;

    Our elites don&#039;t listen. Universalism is &quot;received truth,&quot; a delusional belief system far too powerful to be overcome by mere facts. So then what of our Euro-American elites? Are they slated for extinction?

    Are they predators, or prey?

    Our elites have created an &quot;inverse pyramid&quot; of tax and cost burdens which inflict damage primarily on themselves.

    Fifty percent of the income tax is paid by the top 5% of income earners, 3.5 million families. Twelve million families pay approximately 80% of the income taxes. In the 1950&#039;s corporations paid 40% of all income taxes. Now they only pay 9%.

    While the cost of the Social Security safety-net is imposed more heavily on the middle class, the benefits of that system are heavily skewed towards the bottom 50% of wage earners. It is a second resource shift toward a large and growing plurality of our population that cannot produce enough economic value to pay for the education of their children, their medical care and the cost of their old age support.

    Thus, the burden of financing our multi-cultural empire falls disproportionately on our elites. They are the supporting layer at the bottom of Sir Arthur&#039;s plinth. Instead of erecting an economic edifice in the shape of a pyramid with a large strata of laborers at the bottom supporting the leisure and culture of the elites at the top, we have an upside-down pyramid with a tiny elite scrambling frantically to support the leisure of a huge under-class that amuses itself watching daytime TV.

    It is hard to conceive of a more unstable system.

    Our elites have created a system of higher learning that imposes a capital cost of $120,000 per child for college education at a private university and $60,000 for a similar education at a state-supported institution. In contrast, if you expect your children to complete only high-school before taking a job, then the cost of having children is dramatically less. This set of economic disincentives is so massive that it guarantees birth rates well below replacement for our elites. The more successful our educational and economic system is at identifying high IQ and rewarding it, the worse the dysgenic trend becomes. These perverse incentives created by our elites guarantee their extinction. Their numbers decrease by at least 30% with each generation. After four generations, each 100 of them leave fewer than 24 descendants.

    Admittedly, these burdens were first conceived in a more tribal era, when the architects of the tax system viewed themselves as an &quot;oppressed minority.&quot; It was a time when the designers of the tax reasoned that &quot;their people&quot; who owned retail stores were in a better position to skim cash from the till and avoid the tax than were managers at the large &quot;white shoe&quot; corporations who would be subject to the iron discipline of the W-2 Form. It was a time when Franklin Roosevelt, a political dependent of those tribes, used to review the tax returns of his political enemies and laugh at their loss of wealth and power. It was a time when the architects of this system thought that the tax would fall primarily on &quot;rich WASPs&quot; even as contemporary surveys showed that WASPs had the very lowest average income among all European ethnic groups in America. It was a system born of delusion and ethnic paranoia.

    The question then becomes: Why did the Gentile Euro-American elites put up with it? In truth, their class consciousness deprived them of the opportunity to stage any defense. They had become so remote from the average Euro-American worker that they did not believe a tribal defense would work. They feared that the rest of the tribe would not respond. Thus, they acquiesced with hardly a peep in a system of burdens that would guarantee their extinction.

    As I look back on the McCarthy era in the U.S., I am shocked at the timidity and utter impotence of the response to the clear and obvious threat presented by the entry of hundreds of thousands of intensely tribalized minds into the studios of Hollywood and the Federal bureaucracy behind the thin disguise of Marxism&#039;s Universalist mask.

    The best that the Gentile elites could come up with was an appeal to reason, an argument that the egalitarian policies were destructive to general prosperity - if the pie gets larger, we can all take larger slices. It was the defense of the universalized Economic Man - Gingrich-Kemp Republicanism - universally ridiculed by the tribalized elements of the Racial Extortion Coalition as &quot;trickle down economics.&quot;

    The tribal mind thinks only of its relative position among groups, not the &quot;size of the pie&quot; available for all groups.

    In the 1990&#039;s we are faced with conservative politicians like Bob Dornan, who make statements such as: &quot;I want to see America stay a nation of immigrants… and if we lose our Northern European stock - your coloring and mine, blue eyes and fair hair - tough!&quot;

    The leadership of the Republican Party seems to have accepted the notion that the marginalization of Euro-America under a political system administered by Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, and Jews is inevitable. To accommodate this vision they have already put in place laws that codify collective guilt and create remedies that ensure perpetual demands for compensation. Slavery for Euro-America seems to be the accepted wisdom.

    But what does this mean for the White Gentile elites themselves. Where do their children fit in?

    Charles Manson articulated a vision for America in &quot;Helter Skelter.&quot; He and his followers thought that their killings would provoke a race war in America, that the Blacks would win the war, but that the Blacks would be so disorganized following their victory that they would have to come to Manson and his band (who would hide out in the mountains) for leadership in order to hold this new non-white nation together.

    Is Charlie Manson&#039;s delusional thinking significantly different from that of our modern White Gentile elites?

    What are the odds that the children of our White Gentile elites will see &quot;reason&quot; prevail when they are a racial minority? Is there any objective evidence that a majority Mexican-Black-Asian political coalition will feel they need the skills of the children of this elite? That they will allow them admission to universities, allow them to be compensated fairly in market based systems, and will refrain from confiscating their earnings in punitive and discriminatory taxation schemes?

    Do we have evidence of this, or do we have wishful and delusional thinking?

    These White Gentile elites also have a strong belief in the new-age &quot;information economy&quot; and that their skills and the skills of their children will be needed in that economy even as that economy comes to be dominated by Chinese, Japanese and Hindus.

    They apparently think that as Chinese and Japanese companies buy out our large U.S. corporations (as their huge domestic savings rates eventually ensure) their new owners will not &quot;downsize&quot; the White Gentile CEOs just as those CEOs downsized White Gentile middle management in the 1980s and 1990s.

    But isn&#039;t it much more likely that the Chinese and Japanese cultures will produce ample intellectual leadership to satisfy the needs of world commerce without any American Whites?

    Isn&#039;t it clear that those who have the most to lose are the children of America&#039;s White elites? Are they not next in line to have their wages and life styles scaled back to subsistence levels?

    And what of those 180 million Euro-Americans in the fly-over areas of the country? What are they likely to think when the practical consequence of the aging of the Baby Boom generation begins to sink in?

    Then we have the other half of the White Gentile political elite - the one fronting for the Racial Extortion Coalition. Does this fraction of the elite really believe that there will be a demand for White &quot;front men&quot; once Blacks, Mexicans and Asians become a majority?

    For a political strategy, this elite hires consultants with Southern Accents who talk about &quot;trailer trash&quot; and affirm that &quot;you never know what you will get when you drag a hundred dollar bill through the trailer parks!&quot;

    Most of those 180 million Euro-Americans harbor the illusion that in referring to &quot;trailer trash&quot;, the elites mean someone else. They have no idea that it includes virtually all 180 million of us living outside the D.C Beltway, New York, and Beverly Hills.

    What will happen when these 180 millions tie the practical economic consequences of the aging of the baby boom with the cultural consequence of the open contempt and hostility toward average Whites that is so freely and carelessly displayed by this elite?

    How do these elites imagine they can continue to indulge these sorts of conceits without a consequence?

    What happens when the residents of that great trailer park that has become Western Civilization find out that the only thing standing between themselves and survival and independence for their children is our own openly hostile and contemptuous elites?

    How many Whites does it take to unscrew a defective light bulb?

    Sir Arthur Keith has several illuminating and profound essays in his &quot;New Theory&quot; on incipient races and race forming behaviors. He asserts that with the proliferation of specialized occupations, and the isolation of persons performing those occupations in civilized societies, there is a tendency for economic and social classes to &quot;retribalize&quot; thus forming new &quot;incipient nations&quot; within pre-existing nations.

    According to Sir Arthur Keith, the pace of evolution is accelerating.

    As tantalizing evidence in support of Sir Arthur&#039;s theory, I quote from page 51 of &quot;The Vanishing American Jew,&quot; by Alan Dershowitz:

        &quot;Even America, which has had a significant Jewish presence for only the last century, has been enormously influenced by Jews. The theater critic Walter Kerr, writing as early as 1968, demonstrated the integration of Jews into the mainstream American life by describing not Jewish acculturation to gentile culture, but rather gentile adaptation to Jewish patterns of thought: &#039;What has happened since World War II is that the American sensibility itself has become part Jewish, perhaps nearly as much Jewish as it is anything else. … The literate American mind has come in some measure to think Jewishly, to respond Jewishly. It has been taught to, and its was ready to. After the entertainers and novelists came the Jewish critics, politicians, theologians. Critics and politicians and theologians are by profession molders: they form ways of seeing.&#039; Today this influence is even more apparent, as individual Jews dominate television, film, book publishing, newspapers, magazine advertising, public relations, and other opinion-shaping businesses. Professor Sylvia Barack Fishman of Brandeis University titled a November 1996 article U.S. &#039;Culture Has Been Judaized, and Vice Versa.&#039; She calls this process the &#039;coalescence of two cultures.&#039;&quot;

    And Dershowitz points out that more than 50% of Jews marry non-Jews, meaning that the odds that a secularized or Reform Jew (80% of the present total) will have Jewish grandchildren is close to nil. The class of White Gentile that has assimilated to Jewish patterns of thought is selecting Jewish marriage partners and vice versa. Herrenstein and Murray warn in the &quot;The Bell Curve&quot; that this new elite of Jews and those assimilated to Jewishness (our &quot;Central Elite&quot;) is more isolated from the mainstream of its host culture than any elite in history. But this real message of &quot;The Bell Curve&quot; has been summarily rejected by its intended audience.

    And this Central Elite, as must be the case for one with such a low birth-rate, is a rapidly moving target.

    Paradoxically, this elite is in a headlong rush to &quot;Aryanize&quot; itself. For fifty years the organs of popular culture controlled (as Dershowitz claims) by Jews have projected and popularized an image of beauty that requires a certain look to be taken seriously on television. In the highly encoded language of mathematics and print literature, appearance does not matter. But as the organs of popular culture drag us backwards to more primitive and less encoded graphic and visual communication, appearance becomes critical. This is another unanticipated effect of Sir Arthur&#039;s tribal mentality. To be employable at the highest and most profitable (and least demanding) occupations in our society, one must look like the cast of Baywatch or Beverly Hills 90210.

    And indeed we have a new race of blond haired, blue eyed Jewish half-breeds - Alicia Silverstone and Tori Spelling come to mind. The psychic stamp of this new &quot;incipient race&quot; is its powerful, obvious and yet unremarked Aryanizing process. Even the black upper middle class is in on the act, transforming itself into the &quot;high-yellows&quot; - producing the tall, slender Aryanized models and actresses of the kind who embrace white boys on daytime TV. They bring to the party a mild tan, slightly thicker lips, flatter noses, bigger breasts and, presumably, larger genitals but in all other respects are Nordic in appearance.

    No-one in this Central Elite wants their children to look like Alan Greenspan or Robert Reich. And the pure-bred trio of Heidi Fleiss, Faye Resnick and Monica Lewinsky have smashed forever three generations of &quot;Jewish American Princess&quot; jokes with their public displays of heat and ease of access, thereby crippling a stereotype that previously slowed down the Aryanizing process. No one wants to be left at the station. Everyone in this newly forming Central Elite wants onto the Aryan train.

    And if you think about it, the wistful daydreams of racial amalgamation we hear constantly in the media make perfect sense to this new elite. After all, these dreams accurately reflect the reality of their own lives!

    But unbeknownst to our isolated Central Elites, the images of Aryan beauty they have broadcast have had an even more powerful effect on the typical Euro-American male in the flyover zones of the U.S. It has introduced a rigidity and desperation into his mating behavior that will never be undone.

    It is the reason why these males now migrate en-masse to the Pacific Northwest, Utah, Northern Arizona, Denver, Dallas, Nashville and similar locales with relatively high concentrations of the type (but without the elaborate plumage, long claws and desire to be the childless playthings of older men that you find along the California coast).

    To oblige the daydreams of our Central Elite, the average White guy would, after all 1000 or so of the Aryanized high-yellow mulattos are taken, be left with a dark black Ebonics speaking creature of the welfare state, the likes of which can be found in Downtown Oakland or Detroit. No gratuitous offense intended, but to the average White male these creatures look like hideous monsters.

    The dream of a uniform light-tan race in America will never happen. It is delusional thinking. The same aesthetic imprinting that has had such a powerful effect on the minorities that now comprise our Central Elite has had an equal effect on Euro-America in the flyover zones, but in the opposite direction.

    The problem for our Central Elite is compounded by the large (if yet unaware) regional Euro-American elite that resides outside of New York and Los Angeles and has not &quot;assimilated to Jewishness.&quot; This &quot;Regional Elite&quot; is shocked at what it sees on the TV. They are as shocked and alienated by the waste gasses from our organs of popular culture as are their millions of marginalized cousins living in trailer parks. This Regional Elite does not feel compelled to Aryanize themselves because they are the genuine article.

    So what is the likely result from an evolutionary standpoint?

    One obvious consequence is that this new Aryanizing Central Elite will rapidly lose its ability to use race and victimhood as an excuse for the failure of their policies. If they fail, they can be replaced by perfectly competent Regional Elites.

    Further, they will have to face the relentless competition from the elites of Japan and China, supported by populations ideally suited to win the financial war as well as the evolutionary struggle over the long run.

    In a series of brilliant essays in New Theory, Sir Arthur sets forth the preconditions for survival over the long term. A tribe or nation must have a balanced mix of leaders and followers - a range of mental and physical talents suited to the division of labor within the land they occupy - coupled with a sense of trust and mutual commitment to their common evolutionary purpose extending from top to bottom.

    On page 233 of New Theory we read:

        &quot;Of all the peoples engaged in the present war the Japanese are the most consistent exponents of the doctrine of evolution as applied to human affairs. Their national organization is that of a single tribe; they represent the perfect evolutionary unit. They regard their emperor as divine; they worship by offering him their loyalty; their religion and patriotism are one. They are both ambitious and exclusive. No people give their lives so resolutely in their country&#039;s cause.&quot;

    So how are we to rate this new emerging race - this Central Elite? Can it last?

    Sir Arthur would conclude that it has none of the qualities required for long term survival. It will surely perish. But in the meantime, the lack of these qualities guarantees that their policies for the government of the rest of us will be wildly destructive.

    It is the first governing elite in Human history with no care whatsoever for the future!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant review by Roger Devlin, of a book with many valuable data points and insights.</p>
<p>But as in The Bell Curve where Murray fell flat in his discussion of the dangers of social isolation for this new &#8220;cognitive elite,&#8221; he tells liberal readers of &#8220;Falling Apart&#8221;, who are, after all,  the primary sales target for this book and who secretly despise working class Whites, exactly what they want to hear:  </p>
<p><em>&#8220;The economic dynamics that have produced the class society I deplore have fostered the blossoming of America’s human capital. These dynamics will increase, not diminish, our competitiveness on the world stage in the years ahead. Nor do I forecast decline in America’s military and diplomatic supremacy.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>And as Devlin justly concludes:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;I take this to mean that the new economy’s success in turning high intelligence to account more than makes up for the inefficiencies of the welfare state and military adventurism.</p>
<p>&#8220;Many nationalists treat it as axiomatic that the Washington regime’s ability to squander its subjects’ wealth, courage and ingenuity will eventually overcome any possible economic arrangement. If Murray is correct, however, the post-collapse strategy recommended by nationalist luminaries such as Guillaume Faye and Yggdrasil could prove dangerously mistaken.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>As a rejoinder to Murray&#8217;s optimism about the future of this new elite and its successful plan to impoverish working class Whites, I published a rejoinder as part of my &#8220;Introduction to Sir Arthur Keith&#8221; back in 1998: </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.whitenationalism.com/etext/ak-intro.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitenationalism.com/etext/ak-intro.htm</a></p>
<p>    VIII. OUR DE-RACINATED ELITES &#8211; PREDATOR OR PREY?</p>
<p>    It is time now to pose a fundamental question: Is it a smart survival strategy for Euro-American Elites to form themselves into a social class, disdain their racial fellows and ally themselves with tribes and races that cling tenaciously to the dual code?</p>
<p>    On page 208 of Ethics, Sir Arthur explains the fatal flaw in social class as a strategy for survival:</p>
<p>        &#8220;There is one point about the constitution of Hindu castes and tribes which is particularly worthy of note: they are destitute of the means of offering a physical defense; they are not clad in a robe of enmity. Now, a tribe or caste which is not organized for defense could not survive unless it is protected by an overlord or governing power. We may conclude, therefore, that castes did not come into existence in India until large areas of that country were under the dominion of an invading power which brought with it a new religion.&#8221;</p>
<p>    Here is how Sir Arthur describes the effects of Roman imperialism on the Celtic populations of Britain:</p>
<p>        &#8220;The presence of four legions ensured the conditions necessary for the growth of civilization -viz., security of life and property and a code of laws was maintained and administered by governors and magistrates. Roads were made; cities, built on the Roman pattern, replaced ramshackle tribal towns; arts and crafts were introduced; trade flourished; native produce was carried to the Continent; luxuries, literature, and vice came back in exchange. Native youths of promise were taught in Latin; they learned to wear the toga, acquired with zest the Roman ways of life, and merged their British nativity in the wider fraternity of the Empire.</p>
<p>            &#8220;Thus for three centuries and a half England basked in the sun of Roman civilization. We must note, however, that civilization may come to a people in two ways, which give different results. A people may import a civilization, as the Japanese did in the last half of the nineteenth century, or it may have a civilization thrust on it by a superior power. It was in the latter way that Roman civilization came to England; it was offered to her on the point of the sword. She was civilized not for the benefit of her inhabitants, numbering some two millions before the debacle set in, early in the fifth decade, but for the aggrandizement of Rome. We must note with the eye of an anthropologist the chief effect which was produced on the mentality of the inhabitants of England by these centuries of Roman civilization. The people were detribalized and disarmed; they had come to depend, for the safety of their lives and the maintenance of their civilization, not on their own right arm, but on the armed power of foreign legionaires. Hence, when the legions were recalled (A.D. 406), they were left a helpless prey to any tribal people who had the will and power to attack them. And they were attacked, in a way which will be described in another essay. We may assert, then, that if civilization unified and domesticated the Celtic inhabitants of England, it also led them to their doom and brought their evolutionary career to a disastrous end.</p>
<p>            * * *</p>
<p>            &#8220;At the time of the Roman departure there lived on the opposite shorelands of the Continent, from Jutland in the north to the estuary of the Rhine in the south, a fighting, pagan, farming people, of strong build of body and of a resolute, courageous spirit. Their organization was tribal; each local group had its township; the township within a definite tract of territory recognized an overlord or leader. These were the people who, sword in hand, began to colonize England in the year 449; they continued to land on the eastern and southern coasts for at least a century and a half, feeding settlements already planted and held; they annexed native lands, farmed them, established townships and tribal territories, each with its own leader or overlord. Some twelve centuries later the Christianized descendants of these pagan colonists repeated the process in America.&#8221;</p>
<p>    The Latium tribe (the Romans) disappeared as well. Sir Arthur writes of them on pages 96-97 of Ethics:</p>
<p>        &#8220;Gibbon was content, like Plato, to look upon peasant, artisan, and laborer as existing to form a mighty plinth on which a minority is superimposed in order that it might enjoy the blessings of civilization. Look at the size and composition of the Roman plinth in the time of the Emperor Claudius. Gibbon estimates that the population of the Empire was then 120 million; Over 100 millions should go to form the plinth, and probably one-third of these were slaves representing races alien to Italy. Now, a social pyramid such as that erected by the Romans may serve as an excellent structure for the growth of civilization, but as a structure designed to carry a great people onward in its evolutionary journey, it is as badly constructed as is anthropologically possible. It is not top-heavy; it is worse &#8211; it is bottom-heavy. A social pyramid which is to endure must be made up of individual human units, preferably of common racial origin, who, from bottom to top of the pyramid, are conscious of a common evolutionary destiny and work together to attain it. The Roman Empire may now provide scholars with a harvest; it provides only warning to the evolutionary-minded anthropologist.&#8221;</p>
<p>    It is Sir Arthur&#8217;s bottom-heavy crime against evolution which Herrenstein and Murray decry in &#8220;The Bell Curve.&#8221; It is this same issue that Peter Brimelow decries in &#8220;Alien Nation.&#8221;</p>
<p>    Our elites don&#8217;t listen. Universalism is &#8220;received truth,&#8221; a delusional belief system far too powerful to be overcome by mere facts. So then what of our Euro-American elites? Are they slated for extinction?</p>
<p>    Are they predators, or prey?</p>
<p>    Our elites have created an &#8220;inverse pyramid&#8221; of tax and cost burdens which inflict damage primarily on themselves.</p>
<p>    Fifty percent of the income tax is paid by the top 5% of income earners, 3.5 million families. Twelve million families pay approximately 80% of the income taxes. In the 1950&#8242;s corporations paid 40% of all income taxes. Now they only pay 9%.</p>
<p>    While the cost of the Social Security safety-net is imposed more heavily on the middle class, the benefits of that system are heavily skewed towards the bottom 50% of wage earners. It is a second resource shift toward a large and growing plurality of our population that cannot produce enough economic value to pay for the education of their children, their medical care and the cost of their old age support.</p>
<p>    Thus, the burden of financing our multi-cultural empire falls disproportionately on our elites. They are the supporting layer at the bottom of Sir Arthur&#8217;s plinth. Instead of erecting an economic edifice in the shape of a pyramid with a large strata of laborers at the bottom supporting the leisure and culture of the elites at the top, we have an upside-down pyramid with a tiny elite scrambling frantically to support the leisure of a huge under-class that amuses itself watching daytime TV.</p>
<p>    It is hard to conceive of a more unstable system.</p>
<p>    Our elites have created a system of higher learning that imposes a capital cost of $120,000 per child for college education at a private university and $60,000 for a similar education at a state-supported institution. In contrast, if you expect your children to complete only high-school before taking a job, then the cost of having children is dramatically less. This set of economic disincentives is so massive that it guarantees birth rates well below replacement for our elites. The more successful our educational and economic system is at identifying high IQ and rewarding it, the worse the dysgenic trend becomes. These perverse incentives created by our elites guarantee their extinction. Their numbers decrease by at least 30% with each generation. After four generations, each 100 of them leave fewer than 24 descendants.</p>
<p>    Admittedly, these burdens were first conceived in a more tribal era, when the architects of the tax system viewed themselves as an &#8220;oppressed minority.&#8221; It was a time when the designers of the tax reasoned that &#8220;their people&#8221; who owned retail stores were in a better position to skim cash from the till and avoid the tax than were managers at the large &#8220;white shoe&#8221; corporations who would be subject to the iron discipline of the W-2 Form. It was a time when Franklin Roosevelt, a political dependent of those tribes, used to review the tax returns of his political enemies and laugh at their loss of wealth and power. It was a time when the architects of this system thought that the tax would fall primarily on &#8220;rich WASPs&#8221; even as contemporary surveys showed that WASPs had the very lowest average income among all European ethnic groups in America. It was a system born of delusion and ethnic paranoia.</p>
<p>    The question then becomes: Why did the Gentile Euro-American elites put up with it? In truth, their class consciousness deprived them of the opportunity to stage any defense. They had become so remote from the average Euro-American worker that they did not believe a tribal defense would work. They feared that the rest of the tribe would not respond. Thus, they acquiesced with hardly a peep in a system of burdens that would guarantee their extinction.</p>
<p>    As I look back on the McCarthy era in the U.S., I am shocked at the timidity and utter impotence of the response to the clear and obvious threat presented by the entry of hundreds of thousands of intensely tribalized minds into the studios of Hollywood and the Federal bureaucracy behind the thin disguise of Marxism&#8217;s Universalist mask.</p>
<p>    The best that the Gentile elites could come up with was an appeal to reason, an argument that the egalitarian policies were destructive to general prosperity &#8211; if the pie gets larger, we can all take larger slices. It was the defense of the universalized Economic Man &#8211; Gingrich-Kemp Republicanism &#8211; universally ridiculed by the tribalized elements of the Racial Extortion Coalition as &#8220;trickle down economics.&#8221;</p>
<p>    The tribal mind thinks only of its relative position among groups, not the &#8220;size of the pie&#8221; available for all groups.</p>
<p>    In the 1990&#8242;s we are faced with conservative politicians like Bob Dornan, who make statements such as: &#8220;I want to see America stay a nation of immigrants… and if we lose our Northern European stock &#8211; your coloring and mine, blue eyes and fair hair &#8211; tough!&#8221;</p>
<p>    The leadership of the Republican Party seems to have accepted the notion that the marginalization of Euro-America under a political system administered by Blacks, Mexicans, Asians, and Jews is inevitable. To accommodate this vision they have already put in place laws that codify collective guilt and create remedies that ensure perpetual demands for compensation. Slavery for Euro-America seems to be the accepted wisdom.</p>
<p>    But what does this mean for the White Gentile elites themselves. Where do their children fit in?</p>
<p>    Charles Manson articulated a vision for America in &#8220;Helter Skelter.&#8221; He and his followers thought that their killings would provoke a race war in America, that the Blacks would win the war, but that the Blacks would be so disorganized following their victory that they would have to come to Manson and his band (who would hide out in the mountains) for leadership in order to hold this new non-white nation together.</p>
<p>    Is Charlie Manson&#8217;s delusional thinking significantly different from that of our modern White Gentile elites?</p>
<p>    What are the odds that the children of our White Gentile elites will see &#8220;reason&#8221; prevail when they are a racial minority? Is there any objective evidence that a majority Mexican-Black-Asian political coalition will feel they need the skills of the children of this elite? That they will allow them admission to universities, allow them to be compensated fairly in market based systems, and will refrain from confiscating their earnings in punitive and discriminatory taxation schemes?</p>
<p>    Do we have evidence of this, or do we have wishful and delusional thinking?</p>
<p>    These White Gentile elites also have a strong belief in the new-age &#8220;information economy&#8221; and that their skills and the skills of their children will be needed in that economy even as that economy comes to be dominated by Chinese, Japanese and Hindus.</p>
<p>    They apparently think that as Chinese and Japanese companies buy out our large U.S. corporations (as their huge domestic savings rates eventually ensure) their new owners will not &#8220;downsize&#8221; the White Gentile CEOs just as those CEOs downsized White Gentile middle management in the 1980s and 1990s.</p>
<p>    But isn&#8217;t it much more likely that the Chinese and Japanese cultures will produce ample intellectual leadership to satisfy the needs of world commerce without any American Whites?</p>
<p>    Isn&#8217;t it clear that those who have the most to lose are the children of America&#8217;s White elites? Are they not next in line to have their wages and life styles scaled back to subsistence levels?</p>
<p>    And what of those 180 million Euro-Americans in the fly-over areas of the country? What are they likely to think when the practical consequence of the aging of the Baby Boom generation begins to sink in?</p>
<p>    Then we have the other half of the White Gentile political elite &#8211; the one fronting for the Racial Extortion Coalition. Does this fraction of the elite really believe that there will be a demand for White &#8220;front men&#8221; once Blacks, Mexicans and Asians become a majority?</p>
<p>    For a political strategy, this elite hires consultants with Southern Accents who talk about &#8220;trailer trash&#8221; and affirm that &#8220;you never know what you will get when you drag a hundred dollar bill through the trailer parks!&#8221;</p>
<p>    Most of those 180 million Euro-Americans harbor the illusion that in referring to &#8220;trailer trash&#8221;, the elites mean someone else. They have no idea that it includes virtually all 180 million of us living outside the D.C Beltway, New York, and Beverly Hills.</p>
<p>    What will happen when these 180 millions tie the practical economic consequences of the aging of the baby boom with the cultural consequence of the open contempt and hostility toward average Whites that is so freely and carelessly displayed by this elite?</p>
<p>    How do these elites imagine they can continue to indulge these sorts of conceits without a consequence?</p>
<p>    What happens when the residents of that great trailer park that has become Western Civilization find out that the only thing standing between themselves and survival and independence for their children is our own openly hostile and contemptuous elites?</p>
<p>    How many Whites does it take to unscrew a defective light bulb?</p>
<p>    Sir Arthur Keith has several illuminating and profound essays in his &#8220;New Theory&#8221; on incipient races and race forming behaviors. He asserts that with the proliferation of specialized occupations, and the isolation of persons performing those occupations in civilized societies, there is a tendency for economic and social classes to &#8220;retribalize&#8221; thus forming new &#8220;incipient nations&#8221; within pre-existing nations.</p>
<p>    According to Sir Arthur Keith, the pace of evolution is accelerating.</p>
<p>    As tantalizing evidence in support of Sir Arthur&#8217;s theory, I quote from page 51 of &#8220;The Vanishing American Jew,&#8221; by Alan Dershowitz:</p>
<p>        &#8220;Even America, which has had a significant Jewish presence for only the last century, has been enormously influenced by Jews. The theater critic Walter Kerr, writing as early as 1968, demonstrated the integration of Jews into the mainstream American life by describing not Jewish acculturation to gentile culture, but rather gentile adaptation to Jewish patterns of thought: &#8216;What has happened since World War II is that the American sensibility itself has become part Jewish, perhaps nearly as much Jewish as it is anything else. … The literate American mind has come in some measure to think Jewishly, to respond Jewishly. It has been taught to, and its was ready to. After the entertainers and novelists came the Jewish critics, politicians, theologians. Critics and politicians and theologians are by profession molders: they form ways of seeing.&#8217; Today this influence is even more apparent, as individual Jews dominate television, film, book publishing, newspapers, magazine advertising, public relations, and other opinion-shaping businesses. Professor Sylvia Barack Fishman of Brandeis University titled a November 1996 article U.S. &#8216;Culture Has Been Judaized, and Vice Versa.&#8217; She calls this process the &#8216;coalescence of two cultures.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>    And Dershowitz points out that more than 50% of Jews marry non-Jews, meaning that the odds that a secularized or Reform Jew (80% of the present total) will have Jewish grandchildren is close to nil. The class of White Gentile that has assimilated to Jewish patterns of thought is selecting Jewish marriage partners and vice versa. Herrenstein and Murray warn in the &#8220;The Bell Curve&#8221; that this new elite of Jews and those assimilated to Jewishness (our &#8220;Central Elite&#8221;) is more isolated from the mainstream of its host culture than any elite in history. But this real message of &#8220;The Bell Curve&#8221; has been summarily rejected by its intended audience.</p>
<p>    And this Central Elite, as must be the case for one with such a low birth-rate, is a rapidly moving target.</p>
<p>    Paradoxically, this elite is in a headlong rush to &#8220;Aryanize&#8221; itself. For fifty years the organs of popular culture controlled (as Dershowitz claims) by Jews have projected and popularized an image of beauty that requires a certain look to be taken seriously on television. In the highly encoded language of mathematics and print literature, appearance does not matter. But as the organs of popular culture drag us backwards to more primitive and less encoded graphic and visual communication, appearance becomes critical. This is another unanticipated effect of Sir Arthur&#8217;s tribal mentality. To be employable at the highest and most profitable (and least demanding) occupations in our society, one must look like the cast of Baywatch or Beverly Hills 90210.</p>
<p>    And indeed we have a new race of blond haired, blue eyed Jewish half-breeds &#8211; Alicia Silverstone and Tori Spelling come to mind. The psychic stamp of this new &#8220;incipient race&#8221; is its powerful, obvious and yet unremarked Aryanizing process. Even the black upper middle class is in on the act, transforming itself into the &#8220;high-yellows&#8221; &#8211; producing the tall, slender Aryanized models and actresses of the kind who embrace white boys on daytime TV. They bring to the party a mild tan, slightly thicker lips, flatter noses, bigger breasts and, presumably, larger genitals but in all other respects are Nordic in appearance.</p>
<p>    No-one in this Central Elite wants their children to look like Alan Greenspan or Robert Reich. And the pure-bred trio of Heidi Fleiss, Faye Resnick and Monica Lewinsky have smashed forever three generations of &#8220;Jewish American Princess&#8221; jokes with their public displays of heat and ease of access, thereby crippling a stereotype that previously slowed down the Aryanizing process. No one wants to be left at the station. Everyone in this newly forming Central Elite wants onto the Aryan train.</p>
<p>    And if you think about it, the wistful daydreams of racial amalgamation we hear constantly in the media make perfect sense to this new elite. After all, these dreams accurately reflect the reality of their own lives!</p>
<p>    But unbeknownst to our isolated Central Elites, the images of Aryan beauty they have broadcast have had an even more powerful effect on the typical Euro-American male in the flyover zones of the U.S. It has introduced a rigidity and desperation into his mating behavior that will never be undone.</p>
<p>    It is the reason why these males now migrate en-masse to the Pacific Northwest, Utah, Northern Arizona, Denver, Dallas, Nashville and similar locales with relatively high concentrations of the type (but without the elaborate plumage, long claws and desire to be the childless playthings of older men that you find along the California coast).</p>
<p>    To oblige the daydreams of our Central Elite, the average White guy would, after all 1000 or so of the Aryanized high-yellow mulattos are taken, be left with a dark black Ebonics speaking creature of the welfare state, the likes of which can be found in Downtown Oakland or Detroit. No gratuitous offense intended, but to the average White male these creatures look like hideous monsters.</p>
<p>    The dream of a uniform light-tan race in America will never happen. It is delusional thinking. The same aesthetic imprinting that has had such a powerful effect on the minorities that now comprise our Central Elite has had an equal effect on Euro-America in the flyover zones, but in the opposite direction.</p>
<p>    The problem for our Central Elite is compounded by the large (if yet unaware) regional Euro-American elite that resides outside of New York and Los Angeles and has not &#8220;assimilated to Jewishness.&#8221; This &#8220;Regional Elite&#8221; is shocked at what it sees on the TV. They are as shocked and alienated by the waste gasses from our organs of popular culture as are their millions of marginalized cousins living in trailer parks. This Regional Elite does not feel compelled to Aryanize themselves because they are the genuine article.</p>
<p>    So what is the likely result from an evolutionary standpoint?</p>
<p>    One obvious consequence is that this new Aryanizing Central Elite will rapidly lose its ability to use race and victimhood as an excuse for the failure of their policies. If they fail, they can be replaced by perfectly competent Regional Elites.</p>
<p>    Further, they will have to face the relentless competition from the elites of Japan and China, supported by populations ideally suited to win the financial war as well as the evolutionary struggle over the long run.</p>
<p>    In a series of brilliant essays in New Theory, Sir Arthur sets forth the preconditions for survival over the long term. A tribe or nation must have a balanced mix of leaders and followers &#8211; a range of mental and physical talents suited to the division of labor within the land they occupy &#8211; coupled with a sense of trust and mutual commitment to their common evolutionary purpose extending from top to bottom.</p>
<p>    On page 233 of New Theory we read:</p>
<p>        &#8220;Of all the peoples engaged in the present war the Japanese are the most consistent exponents of the doctrine of evolution as applied to human affairs. Their national organization is that of a single tribe; they represent the perfect evolutionary unit. They regard their emperor as divine; they worship by offering him their loyalty; their religion and patriotism are one. They are both ambitious and exclusive. No people give their lives so resolutely in their country&#8217;s cause.&#8221;</p>
<p>    So how are we to rate this new emerging race &#8211; this Central Elite? Can it last?</p>
<p>    Sir Arthur would conclude that it has none of the qualities required for long term survival. It will surely perish. But in the meantime, the lack of these qualities guarantees that their policies for the government of the rest of us will be wildly destructive.</p>
<p>    It is the first governing elite in Human history with no care whatsoever for the future!</p>
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		<description>When I read Devlin I feel as thought I am listening to one of the smartest men in the world. His insights are truly amazing and he should be better known, especially among alt-right types.

This is the guy who should be a professor at a university, inspiring and teaching young minds.</description>
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<p>This is the guy who should be a professor at a university, inspiring and teaching young minds.</p>
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